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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

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  • #1302
    batman75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭batman75


    Utterly tragic that the US Presidential election is going to be between Trump and Biden. Is their such a dearth of political talent that it comes down to these two to be President?



  • #1303
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281132#Comment_122281132

    Who would you vote for?



  • #1304
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281132#Comment_122281132

    Potentially valid viewpoint, but this is the choice now in front of American voters.

    Do they vote for getting a mild dose of the flu or waking up to find a host of inoperable malignant tumors racing through every part of their body??



  • #1305
    Slideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Slideways


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281132#Comment_122281132

    it’s wild that a country of 350 million people Biden is considered the best option to keep that orange stain out of the Whitehouse. He should be sucking on Werthers Originals and walking his dog


    If Biden was to die in his sleep, who would be parachuted into his place?



  • #1306
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281262#Comment_122281262

    Biden was chosen as the Democratic nominee in 2020 by a public primary, so although people are scratching their heads as to how such an old man could be president of the USA, the simple answer is that people voted for him, and in huge numbers.

    Biden is the least offensive option to the most people left of Trump. To illustrate that and answer your final question, Kamala Harris would become president if Biden died.

    She's younger than Biden by some way and she's a bit more right-on. She also ticks some identity boxes by being a woman of colour. She'd be exactly the kind of Democratic politician people would be mooting as a replacement if she weren't VP. Despite this, she generates little excitement among the base.

    And this is true not just for her. No one else in that party has been able to build a movement, and there's less excuse for that these days given Trump has shown you can bypass the party apparatus to do so.



  • #1307
    batman75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭batman75


    I would rather abstain than vote for either Biden or Trump. Biden is showing signs of going doddery and Trump is sleazy and lacking dignity. Both are fervent supporters of Israel. Which would be fine if Israel wasn't an apartheid state committing genocide.



  • #1308
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281359#Comment_122281359

    Who would you write in then? It has as much effect as abstaining.



  • #1309
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281295#Comment_122281295

    Does any VP really generate much of a profile for themselves? It's mostly just a case of stay alive and stay quiet, then in some rare cases once the two terms are up throw your own hat in the ring for the top job.

    Biden himself would have been happy to retire after his stint as the spare, just Trump happened and they needed someone safe to take on that problem. I'm sure if Trump had disappeared in 2020 that Biden would have as well.

    Nobody wants to take on the **** storm that is Trump as you'll just get covered in it as well. So any potential future contenders are just keeping their heads down until Trumps eventual demise.



  • #1310
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281359#Comment_122281359

    Calling Trump sleazy and lacking in dignity is rather missing the multitude of his attributes and actions which make him unsuitable to be a member of the human race nevermind the office of POTUS. On the Israel issue, that's just a US condition. The US is a supporter of Israel. All presidents are supporters of Israel.



  • #1311
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281153#Comment_122281153

    would be the one that would do no/the least damage to the US economy/world order/ US state of health.



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  • #1312
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281132#Comment_122281132

    Well the UK is no better. Boris, Liz Truss, then Rishi Sunak.



  • #1313
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281530#Comment_122281530

    Biden then.



  • #1314
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281473#Comment_122281473

    That's just it - Bill Clinton was/is more than a bit sleazy , but he was a pretty decent President all things considered.

    Trump is a horrible human being AND a catastrophically dangerous person to have as President as his indolence and utter disregard for anything other than his ego and his wallet would destroy the US and do irreparable harm to the rest of the world.

    See as an example his idea of replacing all income taxes with Tariffs on all imports.

    Economists reckon it would require anything from an 80% to 130% tariff rate on all goods to replace the $2.5T in taxes currently collected and that's before the rest of the world retaliates and hammers US exports.

    It would also destroy the economy and jack up prices immeasurably for the average consumer , but rich people would do very very well out of it which is all he thinks about.

    But as a slogan for his base - "No Income tax" sounds amazing but the reality is very very different.



  • #1315
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281673#Comment_122281673

    Also needs to be pointed out that the American people pay for tarrifs, not the government or exporting country



  • #1316
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭randd1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281132#Comment_122281132

    I don't think it's a dearth of talent, certainly not on the Democratic side like Buttegieg and the likes. Mitt Romney stand out on the Republican side, and there's a few like him as well.

    The problem isn't talent.

    The problem is the degeneration of America, more specifically the turning of the Republican party into a cult based on anger and evangelical nationalism led by a con man.

    I would add too that the degeneration is linked to declining educational standards and the idolizing of the moron. When the moron but well meaning dad like Homer Simpson started becoming the ideal, it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump would appeal to that level of moronic stupidity.

    And unfortunately in the US, it seems that moronic stupidity has much more votes than common sense, and that gap is only widening.



  • #1317
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,278 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281359#Comment_122281359

    abstaining voters is how Trump won in 2020 in critical swing states.

    Abstaining is not an effective solution. “Biden old” seems a horrible reason to abstain when the other candidate you mention seems not just old as well but has a slew of negative traits and a history of atrocious policy making, and not just with regard to Israel.



  • #1318
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281988#Comment_122281988

    I think there's also been a serious rise in selfishness, partly fueled by social media. The thing with Homer Simpson is that while he was deeply flawed, he did care for his family, his neighbours and his country. Of course, the character's morals degenerated as the show went on in an interesting parallel to what we saw during covid.

    The right actively push the notion that the self and material gain are all that matters. Margaret Thatcher famously said that there is no such thing as society. People bought into it thinking they'd be rich when all they were doing was to enable the stripping out of their countries for the benefit of a few elites.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1319
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282163#Comment_122282163

    Social media has also accentuated the zero sum gain in dispute resolution. Ie I only win when the other side lose, echoed considerably by "trade wars are easy to win" trump



  • #1320
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281600#Comment_122281600

    I'm no fan of the Tories but Rishi Sunak is a far more capable politician and indeed person (I still dislike him enormously) than Trump. Thankfully and unlike the Americans, they can see the wood from the trees in the UK and are going to give the Tories a hammering on July 4th.

    Even Johnson, as despicable as he is, looks like a gleaming knight compared to Trump.

    Post edited by All_in_Flynn on


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  • #1321
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282386#Comment_122282386

    Oh jesus, I wasnt comparing Sunak to Trump.

    I was responding to this comment:

    Utterly tragic that the US Presidential election is going to be between Trump and Biden. Is their such a dearth of political talent that it comes down to these two to be President?

    I was saying there is a dearth of political talent in the UK also.



  • #1322
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282513#Comment_122282513

    I think there is a dearth of political talent everywhere.

    What decent person would want to be a politician these days with the constant abuse and microscopic analysis of your personal life and behaviours?

    The decline in civility across the board , driven by social media in large part means that normal decent people with a desire to "give something back" are less and less inclined to get involved in the political arena these days.



  • #1323
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282548#Comment_122282548

    Plus, if you're talent enough to actually be able to enact meaningful change, you'll do much better at somewhere like KPMG and avoid said abuse while making a good living.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1324
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282163#Comment_122282163

    When conservatives declare, "There is no such thing as society", and worship the woman who said it, they shouldn't be surprised at all in a rise of selfishness and everything it entails.

    It's one of the beautiful paradoxes of "Britishness". "No such thing as society" existing in the same space as, "The Blitz Spirit".

    The states are utterly f*cked because of years and decades of under investment in education. The US should be a warning to every country out there, if you keep money away from children and into the arms of Oligarchs, it will destroy your country.



  • #1325
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282557#Comment_122282557

    If the GOP had its way, there'd be no state schools and libraries. Disturbingly, John Oliver has a piece about libraries and how theofascists are desperately trying to either censor them or shut them down:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42xZB80sZaI

    Nothing does more to realise aspirations than education which is why conservatives absolutely despise it.

    There's a reason it turns people into liberals. It's because it encourages you to ask questions and once you do so, you realise how stupid and morally bankrupt conservatism is in some countries.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1326
    tohaltuwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282588#Comment_122282588

    if this were a tweet I’d retweet it.



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  • #1327
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Around minute 8, although the whole video is worth a watch, around minute 8, Don Junior goes on a rant about ChatGTP. Is it just me or does he sound like he's doing an impression of Christy in My Left Foot?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nkno7Sjotk&t=53s

    Post edited by LambshankRedemption on


  • #1328
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282557#Comment_122282557

    "It's one of the beautiful paradoxes of "Britishness". "No such thing as society" existing in the same space as, "The Blitz Spirit"."

    No paradox there. The Blitz Spirit lasted as long as the Blitz and the War(and was a real phenomenon at that time and that circumstance -that "space")

    "No such thing as society" came 30 years later -a different "space" a consequence of a determined woman who defeated the power of organized labour after Heath tried and failed to get along with it.

    British society did not support the unions controlling the Labour Party and the workers,many of whom did not want to be unionized and so tolerated the strike breaking which defeated Scargill..

    Thatcher filled the power vacuum (an unpleasant woman for unpleasant times)



  • #1329
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282800#Comment_122282800

    Is it just me or does he sound like he's doing an impression of Christy in My Left Foot?

    That would be the cocaine 👃



  • #1330
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282875#Comment_122282875

    Coke would have him talking quicker though wouldn't? He sounds more like he's been at the sherry early.



  • #1331
    ghostfacekilla
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282554#Comment_122282554

    Except you won't get a job in KPMG when you dropped out of a journalism degree in Bolton St before you completed it.



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  • #1332
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282913#Comment_122282913

    Not necessarily

    His jaw movement's a dead giveaway aswell



  • #1333
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283070#Comment_122283070

    I dont have much experience with coke. I always considered it an upper, and he sounds more like he's been on a downer.

    Anyway, clearly using something. Now if only he could legally buy a handgun…



  • #1334
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,317 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    With regards the "I wouldn't vote in this election because Biden and Trump are both bad", this is fitting:

    https://twitter.com/dsquareddigest/status/1803764900507811884?s=19



  • #1335
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283583#Comment_122283583

    Come on, the behavior of a presidential candidate's child has no bearing on any election.



  • #1336
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283815#Comment_122283815

    I think the point is that if Trump goes to buy a gun, and declares he hasn't taken X, Y, Z - that may be untrue and could be proven in court.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1337
    lumphammer2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I'm surprised a convicted felon is still even in this race ….. ideally he should be barred from standing and the Republican Party should distance themselves from him …. it shows us that America is ok with this criminal running and the Republicans are all the SAME as him …. and probably even WORSE than him ….

    What to expect if the Republicans and Trump gain power in November …..

    January 20th …. an ill tempered speech from the Giant Teddybear in Chief denouncing all those who done him wrong …. and imposing his vision for his self styled personal version of the MAGA Republic of Gilead ….

    January-May …. a relentless campaign of anti-Iran rhetoric and a false flag operation …..

    Some time in his first year ….. declaration of war on Iran …. and a messy unneeded war which becomes very unpopular with America and has major economic impact …..

    Throughout …. increased militarisation, possible conscription, funds directed away from caring/medical/educational area to military and propaganda areas …..

    Throughout …. rights stripped away from minorities, women, gays/trans people, people from the Democrat background, and all others who are not in support of Gileadean ideals ….

    Throughout …. increased support for likeminded far right politicians in Europe …. and the MeK in Iran should Gilead win the war …..

    During the first and second year ….. authoritarian border control where it will become increasingly difficult to enter the Republic of Gilead and where it will be difficult for some citizens to leave ….

    From the second year on ….. an ever increasing authoritarian agenda where Americans' rights are taken away ….. possible other wars against Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua and Mexico …..

    Coming up towards the 2028 election …. attempts to ban the main opposition …. how successful depends on cooperation of the army and police ….. other attempts to consolidate power ……

    2027 or 2028 ….. the revelation of the real leader and the power behind Trump …. most likely a hardline Tea Party/MAGA terrorist with religious nutjob views ….

    Support levels for this American dictatorship would drop and ex fervent voters of it would change their stance and wonder why they believed in it ….. at the end the regime would be so unpopular that it would not even attempt to run elections and would probably state the country is in a state of emergency and elections will remain postponed …..

    This is Trump's/those he fronts for's agenda ….. how far into this agenda they will be able to get depends but I'd say half of it especially the foreign policy aspects …. would be implemented easily by this evil regime ….. their long awaited Iran war then may be the catalyst to impose some emergency to implement the rest ….. afterall the Democrats will be 'full of Iranian spies' …..



  • #1338
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    image.png

    ETTD….down 42.85% this last month! But ultimately he will gain from this sh!tshow.



  • #1339
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283923#Comment_122283923

    Like every business venture he has ever touched.

    He'll get his and everyone else can go whistle.

    He hasn't invested a single penny here, so even if the stock collapses to less than a dollar a share , he still makes off with tens of millions.



  • #1340
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Two fellow judges urged Aileen Cannon to recuse herself from the White House Documents case, but she didn't;

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/20/aileen-cannon-trump-classified-documents-case



  • #1341
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Its good to see trump still laser focused on the important issues for the American public like...

    Checks notes

    Wtf?

    GQkoAR9akAMSsuI.jpeg



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  • #1342
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/SundaeDivine/status/1804028835559805207

    Biden is the worst president ever.

    We won't have a country if he stays in.

    We will end up in world war 3.

    Biden is grossly incompetent.

    (Well, at least we will know what he'll be saying, that's if he turns up for the debates)



  • #1343
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285921#Comment_122285921

    I guess Judge Merchan gave him permission to travel :)



  • #1344
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems that Bannon, former CFTrump WH Chief of Staff, is spending his contempt of congress conviction time in a Connecticut federal low-security (not minimum security) prison nicknamed "The Wall" which is not a nice place. And, if his state trial on his 'Build The Wall' embezzlement scheme goes forward while he's still in the Fed pokey, he might be transferred to Rikers. Woo. Rikers.

    From WH COS to just another convict in Rikers. Pretty spectacular fall, and well deserved.

    https://www.salon.com/2024/06/18/steve-bannon-gets-news-former-adviser-wont-be-spending-his-time-at-club-fed/



  • #1345
    Stanley 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Bang on

    https://youtu.be/CwKQnJoegLg



  • #1346
    Maxface
    Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Maxface


    As above, Isn't weird what this timeline is, to be afraid of artificial intelligence or immense stupidity. Both are dangerous, obviously, and both are here. I do know for sure though, what we don't need is immense stupidity regulating artificial intelligence, that would be both stupid and dangerous.



  • #1347
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288730#Comment_122288730

    Will we get Artificial Intelligence regulating Immense Stupidity? (with a struggle between competing groups to sit at the "top" of both)

    We will get different brands of AI corresponding to different geo-political zones of influence,I think.



  • #1348
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭francois


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288811#Comment_122288811

    There's already been an epic bot/troll farm fail regarding disinfo

    https://twitter.com/jbhenchman/status/1803070485921411248?t=we69zoVXAenJmVQewv5NbQ&s=19



  • #1349
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289408#Comment_122289408

    Can you explain what that tweet is about? I don't have the patience to make sense of it all.

    Anyone else understand all that?



  • #1350
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,317 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289698#Comment_122289698

    A twitter account which was setup in Russia to post in support of Trump went haywire and posted the code it was set up with (the Russian in the first post instructs it to post in support of Trump in English). The second image shows that when called out on it, someone was able to confuse it and ordered it to post a poem about American Presidents, again showing that it's an AI bot and likely that Russian bot farms are operating on Twitter to post in support of Trump.



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  • #1351
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289881#Comment_122289881

    Thanks. Does anyone know the extent and character of this kind of thing?

    Do they just flood the zone (sounds Bannonesque,now) with anodyne comments to give the appearance that the online consensus is other than it really is?

    Or do they have a master (a bit like a drone pilot) who monitors the reaction and maybe try to discredit posters in real time with ,perhaps teams of posters backed up with computers for quick access to information (or suggested dis/misinformation)?

    Do the propaganda services of different countries all employ similar techniques now and have there been studies fleshing this out with real examples like this one apparently?

    Are some social media companies able to combat this or are we just into slippery eel territory?

    Should we all be avoiding social media that is not properly moderated?



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