Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Far left are just as bad mate. Extreme zealous individuals. Where the hell did this form of thinking come from. Can people not assess and logically solve problems. No either one camp or other.

it’s astounding to me that someone is arguing that budgets are the same as this ‘pact’. The budget is fluid and can be changed on an annual basis. This ‘pact’, by its very meaning of the word, a formal agreement will be irreversible and will have huge repercussions. Something that those in favour of it are not honest about.

I didn't realise you were a mind reader. If we wanted to automatically opt out of the people would have simply stated that and rejected wording that didn't state that.

What does opt in by default mean? They are opting in becuase they feel it is the best thing to do. That's why they were elected, to make decisions on behalf of people. That's how democracy and politics work in Ireland.

People had the chance to reject the MEPs who voted in favour of this pact, they didn't. In fact, they pretty much did the opposite.

MEPs who voted for the pact in Europe

Sean Kelly - reelected

Marie Walsh - reelected

Barry Andrews - reelected

MEPs who rejected the pact

Clare Daly - not re-elected

Mick Wallace - not re-elected

Grace O'Sullivan - not re-elected

Luke Flanagan- re-elected

Chris McManus - not re-elected

If people were so against it, seems very strange to re-elect the MEPs who voted for it. Especially given how, allegedly, hugely important it is.

No, it woukdnt be in line with what we voted for. We voted for the TDs to decide and put that into our constitution. Holding a referendum on all immigration pacts was not what we voted for.

There's nothing technically about it. That is the facts of the situation. The voters of the Lisbon Treaty voted in letting the TDs decide in future EU deals.

Love him or loathe him, Michael McDowell has also spoken about the repercussions of this pact. I’d definitely trust him and his knowledge of the law over Helen McEntee. She described it as a ‘game changer’

No matter how many instances of tragedy like this it won't stop the flow of migrants from Africa, middle east and Asia and won't stop people from risking their lives to escape the country they came from..

Only until the decisions go against a "minority" or against the usual weird tropes. Then you see how quick the abuse and aggressive rioting I mean protesting begins.

These anti refugee fanatics and far right should all be deported well said .

Don't try the same patronising note again and again with the same old trotted out view that if only there were 'honest and factually informed debate people will see the fallacy' … blah blah

Just maybe consider for a moment that others have factually informed themselves and decided that we have a problem………. 

So what are suggesting? That you start rounding up your neighbours and in laws and deport them to the USA?

That is, unless of course you live on Aylesbury Road or out in Greystones etc. I suppose there would be people of this view residing in these type of salubrious places.

By all means show us any election manifesto from any party that included opting into this?

What do you think it means? The government were always going to opt in. The party whip means our TD's do as they are told, whats best for us does not come into it. Given the calibre of politician currently in government I highly doubt they could decide what day of the week it was without being told.

What would not voting for them do now? The pact had already been adopted by the EU parliament and council. Even if we voted none of them back in the government would still be voting yes to this.

Not that it matters, you will get your pact. Looking forward though to the excuses you come up with when it gets shown up to making things worse for us. But its all good, the government will get to wash their hands of the immigration problem and just blame it on EU laws.

No, it’ll be our fault for making him - something about feeling unsafe so his only option was to lash out ..

Careful with comments like that, poor old Martin might have a coronary, given how allergic he is to even a whisper of something as evil as sovereignty.

All the MEPs who voted in favour of this were relectdd a few weeks ago. What does that tell you? Clearly if people were so outraged by it, they woukdnt have been reelected.

Again, as party of the referendum on Lisbon treaty we agreed to decisions go to both Houses for a decision.

This guy seems to be some sort of US based right wing / far right activist (funded by God knows whom), rather than a 'journalist'. He describes the Irish government as 'corrupt' in another recent tweet. Nothing wrong with any of that of course, just as long as people are aware of who he is and what his agenda is i.e. he's not here to report on anything, just to push a particular viewpoint.

He is a journalist and he's reporting on tent city which is more than can be said for a lot our own journalists