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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    This is turning into another bloody Nuclear thread…



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Some global facts for March from the IEA.

    In March 2024, the total net electricity production in total OECD reached 883.7 TWh, decreasing by 0.3% compared to the same period last year. On a year-to-date basis, total net electricity production increased by 2.5% in the first quarter of 2024.

    Electricity generation from fossil fuels amounted to 394.5 TWh in March 2024, marking a decline of 4.6% compared to March 2023. This reduction was largely driven by lower electricity output from coal, which witnessed a 10.2% year-on-year decrease, followed by gas with a decrease of 1.9% y-o-y. The decrease in coal-fired electricity generation was most significant in the OECD Americas, experiencing a 19.6% y-o-y decline, followed by OECD Europe (-13.5% y-o-y). Conversely, OECD Asia-Oceania registered an increase of 7.2% y-o-y in electricity generated from fossil fuels, mainly driven by natural gas (+8.2% y-o-y). Overall, fossil fuels accounted for 44.6% of the electricity mix.

    Electricity production from renewable sources increased by 4.6% y-o-y to 340.7 TWh in March 2024. This growth was primarily driven by increased electricity generation from solar (+16.7% y-o-y) and hydro (+5.7% y-o-y) power, with OECD Europe leading the trend with a 7.9% y-o-y overall increase. Wind power generation experienced a drop of 1.4% year-on-year, driven by decreased output in OECD Europe (-8.8% y-o-y), due to wind conditions. Conversely, OECD Asia Oceania and the OECD Americas witnessed increased output in wind power generation by 33.2% y-o-y and 4.8% y-o-y, respectively. Solar power generation continued its upward trend, with significant increases observed in the OECD Americas (+23.8% y-o-y) and in OECD Europe (+20.1% y-o-y). Overall, electricity generated from renewable sources increased by 6.7% y-t-d during the first quarter of 2024 and, in March 2024, it represented 38.5% of the OECD electricity mix.

    Nuclear electricity production reached 146.0 TWh in March 2024, reflecting a 1.0% increase compared to the same month last year. This growth was attributable to increased nuclear output in OECD Asia Oceania, notably with Japan’s output increasing by 26.2% y-o-y or 1.4 TWh. Overall, nuclear power contributed 16.5% to the OECD electricity mix

    Highlight of the month

    In India, total net electricity production amounted to 155.4 TWh in March 2024, up by 6.6% on a year-on-year basis. Over the first quarter of 2024, total electricity output increased by 5.3% or 22.8 TWh compared to the same period last year. Most of the additional generation originated from coal power plants (+7.9% y-t-d), while renewables dropped by 7.0% y-t-d, mainly because of significantly lower hydropower output (-20.3% y-t-d). This led to coal providing around 76.5% of the country’s total electricity generation over the first three months of 2024, reverting to the same levels observed in Q1-2021 and hence breaking the downward trend observed for the same periods in 2022 and in 2023.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.irishsolarenergy.org/_files/ugd/f7484d_13925c5011d3410e88b0857370b4abd2.pdf

    Close to 1.2GW of Solar Capacity installed in Ireland, with an additional 400MW projected to be installed over the next 6 months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭medoc


    It’s a pity that the Eirgrid dashboard doesn’t provide more detail on the current % of renewable generation especially now that we have so much solar. It breaks down the wind generation but doesn’t for the biomass, hydro, solar and other renewable. The uk one is so much better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭omicron


    Irish energy bot on twitter does a good job of it if you want more stats, not live but daily updates.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭SeanW


    How useful will all that be in winter, when our energy needs are the greatest?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭MightyMunster




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Hopefully we should be adding nearly 1GW per year from now on.

    The renewables on our grid is 75% and our total demand is 6GW ( I think), so in theory in 3 years, there should times when the 75% is coming from solar and a bit of wind.

    I know they're planning to increase the 75% to 95% but I don't know the timeline for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    It provides energy in the winter also, albeit much reduced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Interesting.

    They said a record was set a few days ago of over 600MW for solar generation.

    I wonder will it hit over 1GW this time next year.

    Seems completely possible. We'll have around 2GW connected by then maybe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭omicron


    Bear in mind their stats only reflect large commercial solar farms, not rooftop feed in or small scale solar farms that some businesses have for their own use.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Ah ok. Didn't know that. I'd assumed they included houses.

    So we could already have hit over 1GW and next year we could hit 2GW.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://x.com/IrishEnergyBot/status/1733079693690032582

    December 2023 so not much solar, but shows how storage and fossil fuel generators ramp up and down to match demand.

    Be interesting to see what that looks like when it's sunny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Not exactly a common occurrence in this country. If there ever renewables powered by cold and dampness, Ireland would be all set!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Off-shore wind is powered by cold and damp, so if we can get it to work, we are all set.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Tarant


    The gas saved in summer will be used in winter



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Interesting article about offshore wind. The potential is enormous. Feels like we're 5 or 10 years behind.

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41421622.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Given we have barely got out of 2nd gear when it comes to Solar and off-shore wind, its kind of amazing we have approx 40% of our energy coming from renewables.

    Scaling up to 8GW of solar will just take a bit of time, but its where offshore wind is here the key is to the mix.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Given we have barely got out of 2nd gear when it comes to Solar and off-shore wind, its kind of amazing we have approx 40% of our energy coming from renewables.

    I keep saying this - we are only getting started. And it's not just in Ireland. The worldwide growth is exponential - to such an extent that the IEA keep on having to revise their forecasts. I think that there's good reasons to be very optimistic about the future when it comes to energy generation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Yeah I think the same.

    Solar has just taken off here.

    I think in a 3 or 4 years there'll be times where 75% of electricity is coming from solar. If we add a GW of solar a year then it's definitely possible.

    We already have that with wind but with offshore it'll be more frequent and longer.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I suspect that like wind, in a few years most of the easy sites near substations will be taken and the rollout rate might slacken off a bit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ah, the eager anticipation of more renewables rollout.

    ‘Dark doldrums’ hits wind power supply

    A “drought” in wind power generation, described by the German word dunkelflaute meaning “dark doldrums”, has surprised the market and contributed to a squeeze on east-coast gas supplies inflating wholesale prices.

    Electricity generation from wind farms in the National Electricity Market since April 1 is roughly flat compared with the same quarter in 2021, despite about 2500 megawatts of wind capacity having been added since then

    This is what is happening in Australia. The investors must be swaeting bullets. This might be why Australias largest energy company AGL, said:

    The investment case for new wind and solar generation is “tricky” and AGL Energy will instead focus on hydro, gas and batteries, chief operating officer Markus Brokhof says.

    Which is incredibly ironic since green activist investors recently had multiple members of the board of directors ejected, including the chairwoman, because they thought the company had too high a CO2 footprint and that their nominees to the board could do better.

    Renewables are a rotten, terrible idea as a way to power a grid reliably. It might happen here also as the doomsday climate models predict a drop in wind speeds in Europe as warming increases.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Dunkelflaute! Dunkelflaute! Who will save us from the Dunkelflaute?

    I notice that the company you mention will focus on "hydro, gas and batteries". Yes, a complete rejection of renewable energy there alright...



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, not only are hydro and batteries extremely important part of the transition to renewables but so is gas!

    If you read the article that cnocbui took the quote from but didn't post, it is actually a massive win for renewables. It is basically AGL admitting that renewables will dominate the market.

    https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/agl-energy-says-investment-case-for-wind-and-solar-is-tricky-20240613-p5jlha

    In 2022 83% of AGL's generation came from coal!! The company is literally one of the largest carbon emitters, emitting more carbon then whole countries!

    They are now admitting that coal has no future and the whole idea of large centralised base load type generators don't have a future. Instead the market will be dominated by renewables first, but they see there part to play in the market as the backup to those renewables with hydro, batteries and gas.

    Them moving heavily from coal to gas is to support those renewables. It is just what we in Ireland and Europe started doing 20+ years ago, they are just very late to the game.

    What they are saying about wind and solar is that they won't invest in building it themselves, but instead will buy wind/solar from other companies via purchase agreements.

    Basically what they are saying is the revenues from wind and solar are lower then what they are historically use to. That they were use to creaming fat profits off their highly centralised coal plants. They are saying that they can't compete with much smaller, more nimble wind and solar companies that have been busily building out wind and solar for the past 20 years, so instead they will just buy power for them.

    Keep in mind AGL are like the ESB of old, they are both the retail supplier of electricity (to people like you and me) and they own power generation plants. Their retail side will of course continue to buy power from wind and solar suppliers, while their generation side will focus on the backup side of the renewable equation with hydro, battery and gas.

    Interestingly in another announcement in the past day or two, they said that they are planning to turn their decommissioned coal plants into solar hubs, similar to what the ESB is doing with money point and have no interest in being involved with the other technology we can't discuss here!

    TLDR; old fashioned coal powered fossil fuel company got caught with their pants down by more nimble and innovative companies building solar and wind and they can't compete with them and are instead trying to find a new moat to protect their business.

    BTW I'm also confused what any of this in Australia has to do with Energy Infrastructure in Ireland!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭josip


    cnocbui grep up in Perth before moving to Ireland. Australia is his frame of reference when he wants to find something better/to confirm his beliefs. Although the thread is implicitly about Ireland, it's insightful to see the current and historical decisions being taken by other countries. Especially one with such a sparsely populated landmass and an abundance of solar and uranium deposits. But unfortunately also with an abundance of coal which has lead Australia to being one of the largest contributors to climate change on a per-capita basis. Criticism of Australia for this, has in turn resulted in many Australians becoming either outright climate change deniers/sceptics or just being anti-renewable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,551 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Australia is a giant of coal exports, so there is a lot of negativity to anything that moves away from that, given the jobs that are tied up in it.

    Its that simple.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Strictly speaking we have a few days worth of storage in the pipes of the gas networks and into the interconnectors to the UK.

    Also gas can be stored as LNG in ships, last year LNG ships we lined up off the coast of Britain waiting for higher prices and thus acting as a type of storage. Keep in mind we get a lot of our gas from Britain via the inerconnectors.

    But all of that is beside the point, the point being made is to reduce the demand for gas, which would lead to a knock on impact on reducing the production of gas.

    Currently we use gas for roughly 60% of our electricity generation, the goal is to get that down to 20% by 2030. Wind speeds are lower in Ireland in summer then winter and we also experience more windless days in summer. Solar can fill that gap in the sunnier months quiet nicely, thus reducing the amount of gas we use throughout the year.

    The goal now is over the next few years to continue to reduce our gas usage year on year.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Thanks, that makes so much more sense now! Absolutely crazy stuff.

    But it all shows just how effective renewables are now economically. Despite various Australian governments over the years attempts to stop renewables and support the coal industry there, we see solar in particular taking over despite their best efforts. 1 in every 3 homes has solar panels, smaller nimble companies building massive solar farms and the big old coal companies just can't compete. Good riddance to them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If we reduce our domestic gas demand, will that reduce the extraction rate of gas from Corrib?

    Or is that under the control of Shell/someone else and they can continue to extract and export across an interconnector if markets elsewhere wanted it?



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