Aer Lingus Flight Crew Industrial relations thread 2024

I did look at the media cancellations

If my question was stupid, I apologise.

Well, our 1pm flight was cancelled. If it had been half an hour later, it wouldn't have been cancelled.

We've managed to get rebooked to a flight 2 days earlier, so we'll have the additional car hire and accommodation costs, but at least we still get to go on our holiday.

Hope everyone else gets sorted out too.

Fair enough, but it's only all flights up to 13.15 that were cancelled. So far, the only flights cancelled after that time are 5 or 6 cities which have multiple daily flights. The EI customer service rep told me we were unlucky to be right at the cut-off time and there was no expectation that any more flights after 1pm would be cancelled.

Anyone who unfortunately thinks all the flights scheduled after 1300 will leave on schedule will be in for a big surprise..It will be chaos.

Received an email this morning saying our flight had been switched to privilege airlines.

Am already a nervous passenger so not happy about it.

Does any 1 have any experience with them?

Im hoping its still an airbus.

Almost looks like you got this information directly from EI themselves!

The actual 'real world' number is about €4600 a month after tax etc for an FO.

Sounds like great money, but when you are probably still paying back training loans etc its not that great.

and to be clear, a precedent across the IAG group. I suspect the suggestion in today’s Sindo that the pilots have discounted a hardline imposed by group management on this aspect. I doubt that they want any long running strike/protective action (ie outright closedown for a period) but EI pilots must form a small cohort in IAG. If a climbdown without a reason occurs (and industrial relations tribunals have not come near the 24% yet) then EI management might be told to fold the tent for a period. Where will public attention go then? Will all parties be blamed?

One good point that's been made is how the Pilots strike has a knock on effect for the entire company, those who are earning a fraction of what some of the pilots are earning, and who work all year round, the cabin crew, ground support, maintenance, catering, office staff/flight ops planning etc. who's jobs could now be on the line depending on how long this drags out for, i'm sure IAG would have no issue using this as an opportunity to reduce costs and outsource more of the flight support functions.

Would also be a chance for Ryanair to run a few of their Max aircraft over to destinations on the U.S east coast, or buy in a few Dreamliners… though can't see that happening.

The other group who IALPA are holding to ransom are the General public who have invested time, money and effort to plan their travel and are now faced with losing deposits, rearranging leave at work and being stranded abroad.. The pilots will lose support each day this goes on..

Thought all the Max's had an ETOPS rating? RA could take over the NY/Stewart route if they blocked off a few seats.

I know O'Leary has said they have no interest in transatlantic, though they have Lauda/Malta/Buzz.. another subsidiary could do the transatlantic runs..

Some of the pay figures here are waaaaay off. @California Dreamer knows what he’s talking about and the FO figure he gives is around about correct, but that’s a new entrant with an unfrozen ATPL and an A320 rating from the get go, which most new FO’s don’t have when joining.

Regarding delays, crew do get paid for delays in the form of credits. Not going to go into the specifics of credits and how they work but an hours delay will result in around about an extra hours pay.

Something was mentioned on the previous page about rostering, pilots are not rostered to max hours each month (the system EI use won’t actually allow it) crew are rostered a max of about 80% or FTL limits give or take.

It’s clear I’ve just stumbled across this thread now and not bothered reading trough all of it 😂

Do you have any idea what an airline has to do to fly trans Atlantic instead of just short haul? You don't just stick a bit of extra fuel on and tell the pilots to keep going west after Shannon.

Media always turn on strikers.

The employers pay for advertising, the employees don't. Has our media ever supported a strike ?

Most people in this thread have more in common with the pilots than with the overpaid CEOs even if they don't want to acknowledge it.

We'll have overpaid radio heads like Duffy bleating on about the strikes whilst every single person in the country is forced to pay his wages under threat of imprisonment.

Exactly. The front page of the Business Post today talks about pilot pay demands being "excessive". And then on the very next page it talks about the huge increases received by various company execs. Its seems to be no different at Aer Lingus. Most of us do not have the support of a union but it probably is in our interests that the workers side (even if a relatively well paid group in this case) comes out on top.

One thing about becoming a pilot is that should you be struck down with a serious illness you stand to lose your career. I presume many pilots have illness benefit insurance, though this would be seriously costly. These newer degree courses incorporating pilot studies with airline management are a very good idea, where you can still remain in your broader area of work and lend your experience & expertise.

am I correct in thinking if aer lingus moves my flight to Tenerife out a day for me, wife and 3 kids. I’m entitled to request a full refund plus compensation if €600 per person?