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Limerick improvement projects

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  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Good idea but as a Clare supporter I don't think the GAA would need to be 'forced' to implement your suggestion. As a community organisation it would be in their interest to do so so 'encourage' would suffice imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What is 11 mins. Is that how long they say the train will take ?

    Bus stops all through Moyross so unless you are very lucky it is a walk to the new station and then a walk from Colbert because it is near nothing.

    I would say I get that bus from Moyross a lot more than you and honestly nobody thinks the journey is too long. And they have no problem voicing their opinions on that bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tipp and Cork people would be better off walking from town or switching on to the 302/343.

    Corpus Christi to PnG is almost as long and has absolutely no amenities between the station and stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    I would urge anyone posting here to make a submission to Irish Rail to air your views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    What is 11 mins. Is that how long they say the train will take ?

    Yes

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/about-us/iarnrod-eireann-projects-and-investments/new-stations/moyross

    Bus stops all through Moyross so unless you are very lucky it is a walk to the new station and then a walk from Colbert because it is near nothing.

    But from the point of view of hopping on a train or bus to another part of the country the city bus at rush hour is useless

    I would say I get that bus from Moyross a lot more than you and honestly nobody thinks the journey is too long. And they have no problem voicing their opinions on that bus.

    I used to take the bus to/from town every day when studying in LIT (TUS) and between 8 to 10am and 5 to 7pm the traffic between there and town you'd often be an hour doing that journey. The 302 shares a lot of the road with a bus that would go through moyross

    Tipp and Cork people would be better off walking from town or switching on to the 302/343.

    Corpus Christi to PnG is almost as long and has absolutely no amenities between the station and stadium.

    The railway tracks are linked though. Trains could potentially run from Cork, Thurles, Waterford etc directly to the new station. The matchgoers might be better off but the pedestrian traffic in the city would be much more manageable. With regards to amenities we have the technology these days to cook burgers, make coffees and serve pints from the back of movable trailers so I don't think that will be a huge problem either



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    You're talking about (I'd wager distant) past experience and ignoring the whole BusConnects plan which starts coming into affect next year. A vastly improved service which gives priority to the buses.

    Also only trains from Galway could go directly to Moyross. Anything coming from Limerick Junction would need to enter Colbert and then reverse back out to access the Ennis line. You'd be better off getting off at Colbert and jumping on a bus to get to the Gaelic Grounds, as there is no rush hour traffic on the weekends when these matches would be on.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    So disappointing that taxpayers money was spent for highly qualified engineers to devise a transportation plan for the city and then elements of it are removed due to a Minister's personal beliefs.

    I see on this thread people advocating for the new railway station as it could be used for journeys to UL. The experience of travelling to UL from Moyross would be utterly transformed by the LNDR going ahead. It would be a very doable cycle journey and the new road would surely open up new orbital bus routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭geotrig


    Thats exactly what I thought, re bus routes and connectivity to UL ,Castletroy ,while taking traffic & heavy goods buses and other commuting out of the areas ,While also giving a more direct access. Corbally road and long pavement need traffic away from them, way too small for what is on them and the bottlenecks !! also would help drive traffic that go through town away with alternative routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I see on this thread people advocating for the new railway station as it could be used for journeys to UL

    That's a non-runner right there I think. You'd need a new railway line or spur and a new station to be built in UL, which would be a lot of investment just for the University usage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I think a station in Moyross is an easy start. Plenty of land on an existing line and easy enough to put in a single platform and a small ticket office. Ideally you would love one in Raheen but that involves the finishing of the Foynes line. for Ballysimon the only spot I can think of is the green area in Norwood park which has less population and still leaves you in the middle of a housing estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    There’s a big chunk of land at the rear of the parkway shopping centre that could be used for a station,

    The Ballysimon station will probably be located closer to Morrison’s pub on a triangle of land close to the N24/M7 junction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The train lines are only linked at Colbert so you have to pull in and back out which isn't really "linked" like a proper through route.

    Moveable trailers are not enough for that amount of people and you can't just reserve pints out of a trailer as you require licencing and confined areas. Good luck setting that up in a field in Moyross.

    Check Google Colbert and Moyross are the exact same length of a walk and the city has 2 buses to PnG and Moyross none. As for "pedestrian traffic" you are only moving the problem.

    You are basically making passengers sit on a train while it reveres in and out and travels on to a destination the same distance away with no buses, pubs, shops or food/coffee facilities. It's utterly pointless.

    And nobody in Moyross has expressed an interest in using that train to get to the city and very few will use it to get to Dublin or Cork because so few will link directly to LJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Cllr Slattery calls for improvements to residential areas by tarmaccing over green spaces to provide more car parking. https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1511724/replace-green-spaces-with-parking-spots-says-councillor.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭geotrig


    while my initial thoughts on this is madness ,if it frees up footpaths and doesn't take all green spaces it might not be a bad idea as it seems initially.most estates i've noticed have terribly resticited access and with parking outside houses it erodes it even more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It sounds a bit sensational at first but I know a few estates where the road just needs a small bit of a large section of green area for little widening.

    They should have done it outside Corpus Christi in Moyross so the bus can get through during drop off times. Could be done down by the river in Kileely too.

    Even better though would be to make a lot of the older estates with no green space one way and let residents have a whole lane to park. You can even use the spaces to make speed reducing chicanes like they do in Europe.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    'Tarmacing over green spaces' is a bit sensationalist. She wants to take a small section of large green spaces to provide parking for cars that are currently parked on footpaths. It's also something that residents of those estates are asking for.

    And as someone who grew up in Glasgow Park, she's 100% correct about those little squares of grass. They were always too small to be of any use and we used to play either on the road or across the road in the field (which is now a nice paved and lit park with a large flat play area for the kids). And they're never cut by the council and end up being maintained by the residents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭pigtown


    They probably weren't built as such but those squares of grass could be a key surface water drain.

    New developments are designed to have as little hard surface as possible to protect against flooding so just tarring over them is not as straightforward as you might expect

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Rather than tarring over all the green areas, I think what they're proposing is widening the roads by a few more feet/meters to allow for parking, give access for bin trucks, fire tenders and other service vehicles.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I know what you mean, but all the houses have gardens, then there's the footpath, then there are tarred areas for parking with the squares of green in between and then the road. It means that some houses have a parking space in front of them and others don't. This leads to a lot of on road parking. In this case tarring over them wouldn't make any difference to drainage. Especially with the massive park between Glasgow Park and Kennedy Park.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    ABP have approved the student accommodation proposal for the Railway Hotel.

    https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/317609

    A year wasted by another pointless An Taisce objection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭manna452121


    Its also sick to say that if a local person appealed to ABP they have to pay 220 euros but An Taisce just have to pay only 110 euros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    How often does one single person appeal to ABP? Usually it's residents groupings or the developer themselves. An Taisce, being a charity, get the same treatment as all charities in these cases

    On what grounds did An Taisce object?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭manna452121




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Individuals regularly appeal to ABP. People who had their planning for a new house refused appeal or neighbours who don't want the neighbours building an extension appeal. There are a lot more of these types of cases appealed rather than large developments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭pigtown


    The inevitable appeal of the apartments at the Ardhu site has been lodged. Hopefully ABP prioritise residential projects and it won't take too long to decide



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Ah yes, the entitled and well heeled denizens of North Circular Road, Rose's Avenue and Ennis Road couldn't be expected to tolerate apartment dwelling commoners in their midst!

    ABP ruled on the Golf Links Road residential development in just over 3 months so hopefully this will be similar. Especially considering the lack of onerous FI requests from the Council initially. It sailed through the local planning process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭pigtown


    To be honest I think the council should have requested that roof gardens be included, the open space is quite lacking there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭manna452121


    Also on the northside Laya Healthcare have got their permission https://www.eplanning.ie/LimerickCCC/AppFileRefDetails/2460059/0 but this will also go to ABP.Looking at the suubmissions Clare Daly the MEP who is now no longer an MEP had an objection aswell as a number of local TDs and some councillors who were delighted when they came to the area but now have a problem with Laya expanding.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I see that TUS have planning permission gone it to build a covered velodrome just across the road from their Coonagh Cross campus. It seems to be the first phase of a sports facility to include an athletics track and a number of playing pitches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That would be an absolutely insanely positive development.

    Ireland famously has no covered velodrome with one finally in the works for Sports Campus Ireland.

    To suddenly have two and one be in Limerick would be amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    Wow. Great if it happens.

    I would love a go of a few laps of a velodrome!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    a 7,014 square meter mixed use Arena, 22.2m tall with a south-facing first floor external terrace at the main entrance. The arena will be constructed from a twin skin pressurised system that contains a 200m track, changing facilities, 476 permanent seated spectator viewing, storage and WC facilities. It will include for various sports including cycling, gymnastics, badminton, volleyball, tennis and football; along with community uses such as exams, lectures, count centres, dinners,music recitals and concerts at its site.

    https://www.eplanning.ie/LimerickCCC/AppFileRefDetails/2460605/0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Can't help but think if they went for less density they might have been able to avoid an appeal altogether and we'd have much more housing in our city and county.

    This happens every time they try to build too dense,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nah density is just an excuse for miserable fuks who want the housing crisis to be solved but "somewhere else"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭pigtown


    It's not too dense. We need more of it



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Remember lads RS was vehemently against the small apartment block on the corner of Childers Rd and Rosbrien Rd. Their opinion on this is in now way surprising.



  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭MrLaurel


    Who or what is “RS”?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Nope. The density of the scheme is within the parameters outlined for well located urban sites in the National Planning Framework which LAs much adhere to. Therefore suggestions that the project is too dense are utterly nonsensical and not supported by facts.

    The unfortunate reality here is that existing residents in this area are uncomfortable with the prospect of 170 or so new apartment dwellers in their "posh upmarket" neighbourhood.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Must really hurt that its "one of their own" inflicting this inhumanity on them 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭manna452121


    I walked the road on Thursday and all looked ok but this morning white markers have been sprayed on the road in front of the houses and on the footpath at NCR end,to me it might be resurfacing or possible double yellow lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's something businesses in the area like, more potential customers, but it also brings with it extra traffic which people in general don't like. Tell somebody living on a road that traffic volumes will increase they will understandably not be too happy

    Also then the housing and homeless crisis not gonna be solved with appeals to ABP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Push upmarket? In Limerick? Thought that label was reserved for areas such as Raheen and Castletroy. Or is it just an assumption you make because of their objection?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You sing the same old song every time.

    If you build it lower then the houses have eto go somewhere else. Somewhere else is greenfield like the road to Shannon which will put even more traffic on the Ennis Road because it will be further out so less connected to transport and less desirable for walking and cycling.

    Also Ennis Road residents don't own the road. The new residents have the exact same right to become traffic on it as the current residents already are traffic on it.

    But you know this argument because you said the same about Ballinacurra, Punches Cross and I'm sure others.

    You are just a typical anti high density dinosaur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think it's more that I see the limitations and drawbacks of high density housing. There's certainly benefits no doubt. The main one being that it annoys rich people but you shouldn't be planning a city on the basis of who it annoys

    I also try to be civil and point it out but get labelled a dinosaur but that says more about you than me

    Also, bit ironic you saying I sing the same song every time when you do the same, albeit the song is different



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What are the drawbacks ?

    Is it traffic ?

    Because the experts say you are wrong and high density is a solution not a problem.

    I live in a very poor part of town and have been very disappointed with the lack of density in new developments around my house so no it's not just about upsetting rich people. I also support planned high density projects which are directly on my commute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,123 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    More people living in a smaller area means less traffic? What a ridiculous thing to say! With thinking like that I can understand why you are so supportive in fairness

    You only have to look at places like Raheen and Castletroy to see how wrong you are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No it doesn't. The people end up living on the edge of the area or a village outside the area.

    How many people on the Ennis Road every morning are from the area ?

    You don't have a clue as has been pointed out to you plenty before.



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