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The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Toughest draw for Dublin. I think Kerry will dish out a nice beating to Derry like i think Dublin would have. Dont think Derry are at the races at all this year. Kerry by 10+

    Armagh should have enough to beat Roscommon. Getting to an All Ireland semi final would be good for them and the much maligned Kieran McGeeney after all the criticism they get in some quarters for supposedly not knowing how to win. G

    Great story for the wee county but Donegal are on a mission and should win comfortably.

    Dublin v Galway tough game. If all Galways men are fighting fit they are capable of beating Dublin imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    There is a bit of logic to what he says, but its nowhere near the injustice that he manages to identify:

    (I) they've lost one match in regular ordinary time; and he says correctly that they lost by just one point. Now, as we know, a loss is a loss whether its by 1 point or 20 points. However, he thinks it counts for something that the game they lost was a one point game.

    (II) they drew one match, and then lost on penalties - the rules are the rules, I guess he doesnt like them. He would like to count that as a draw and not a loss, which it was.

    (III) To be fair - youd have to look at it and say - Mayo have beaten Roscommon comfortably twice in the championship, and Roscommon are still in it with a very decent chance of qualifying for the semi final. However, as we all know - the games where Mayo beat Roscommon were not knockout games.

    When it counted - and it really was knockout - thats when Roscommon stood up.

    In fairness - if last week you were offerred the chance of playing Tyrone or Derry in a knockout game, I'd say most would have picked Tyrone. Roscommon were able to handle Tyrone.

    Also, looking at the game on Saturday - Mayo had home advantage, and in a tight game were awarded a very dubious penalty. More than that, they only scored three times in the first half and once from play. Derry were quite simply the better team on the day, and the penalty kept Mayo in it.

    So to compare this with the 2010 Leinster Final….. please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Arn't Galway the walking wounded. Shane Walsh came off injured the last day. Sean Kelly is struggling to find fitness/form. And Damien Comer might as well have a permanent medical cert. Without those 3 in full flight, Galway haven't a chance. I hope they are good to go. I'd love to see them go at Dublin, and give a good game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    My main hope is that be get competitive Quarter finals and not a repeat of last year where three of them was over long before the final whistle. Yes last year Derry,Dublin,Kerry was all favourites to win then but the scheduling advantage played it's part in making those games the way they turned out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,426 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Dublin v Galway tough game. If all Galways men are fighting fit they are capable of beating Dublin imo.

    Let's look at Galway and their "lovely forwards"

    5-21 (36) v London

    1-13 (16) v Sligo

    0-15 v Mayo

    2-14 (20) v Derry

    1-12 (15) v Westmeath

    0-15 v Armagh

    0-14 v Monaghan.

    With the exception of Derry (I'm ignoring London) none of these scoring returns is enough to beat Dublin.

    Dublin put 2-17 past Mayo last year, 0-21 v Cork the year before.

    You need to be getting 18 to 20 points to be troubling Dublin at this stage.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    The GAA lad doing the draw on Morning Ireland said a draw for semis might not even be needed depending on results. Repeat pairings to be avoided. If both Roscommon and Louth won along with Kerry and Dublin you'd have a Dublin vs Kerry and Louth vs Roscommon semi final and one of Roscommon or Louth in an All Ireland final!!!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Galways lovely forwards are hurt. Finnerty, Walsh and Comer all playing hurt. Or not playing at all.

    Also to point out Galway are still unbeaten. Which means those scores are enough to win the games so far. Almost like defending is part of the game too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,426 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Roscommon or Louth in an All Ireland final!!!!!!

    Mayo people like me have sleepless nights thinking about Galway sneaking in and winning another All Ireland while Mayo continues to make a mess of opportunities.

    But we have been looking the wrong way, the danger is from Roscommon!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Small caveat on the Galway forwards is that all season they've always had one of Comer, Finnerty or Walsh injured.

    Given that Comer came on as sub on Saturday I'd suspect he'll be back starting v Dublin.

    Cillian McDaid and Sean Kelly also coming back to form after missing a lot games.

    (on paper at least) the quarterfinal should be Galway's best performance of the season so far.

    And also several of the Galway games have been in Salthill, that wind doesn't help with shooting. Croke Park may suit them better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    I'm not sure I agree with how predetermined this draw was at all. A lot of "luck" seems to come into play between who you play in the provincial, and then who you get in your group added to overall luck needed to progress between scheduling etc. Doubt it will happen as its a big ask for Roscommon and Louth but if it came to pass that one of them made an All Ireland I think it would be revisited.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Just to add my support of the Roscommon fear. A support group should set up if they continue to progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Even when Galway were crap we had better forwards than Mayo 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,256 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I share none of your fears. They have won a total of 3 league and championship games this year I think ?

    Dublin Galway- tighter than some expect for me. But Dublin got a game against Mayo to harden them up so I think they will eventually edge it by a few points

    Kerry Derry - I hope it’s a victory for playing football and Kerry beat them out the gate. That should be the end of Harte then . I think Kerry will win relatively comfortably. The only nagging doubt is that they could be caught cold .

    Armagh Roscommon - Armagh

    Donegal Louth - Donegal and then who knows for a McGuinness lead team two games from glory ………..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Barlett


    Galway struggle in Croke Park, I’d expect Dublin to win comfortably enough to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,256 ✭✭✭✭km79


    if I had a free bet and wanted to speculate to accumulate I’d back Donegal to win it out at 6/1.

    Realistically based on evidence so far it’s Dublin’s to lose



  • Registered Users Posts: 460 ✭✭Old_-_School


    The semi-final draw is even more restricted than the 1/4s.

    In the Semis, all repeat meetings will be avoided if possible, while the 1/4s only avoided Provincial finals and group meetings.

    If Derry, Armagh, Donegal and Galway win, a repeat meeting can't be avoided as Armagh will have played all 3.

    If Kerry, Armagh, Donegal and Dublin win, I.e. the four favourites, Armagh can't meet Donegal (and thus Kerry can't meet Dublin) as Armagh met Donegal in the Ulster final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Drummerboy2


    Dublin will need to up their game against Galway. They were unusually sloppy v Mayo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Back in Croke Park,knock out football with two weeks to prepare I expect them will be more slick than sloppy against Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭crusd


    I think 2014 compares quite favourably: Doherty, O'Shea, Dillon, O'Connor, Moran and McLaughlin compared to Lundy, Walsh, Comer, Conroy, Hoare, Cummins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Galway have often had more natural forwards than now, but as has been pointed out, their injured/recovering men, Sean Kelly, Tierney, McDaid, also add solidity and dash to the middle-third area, creating a better platform for the forwards to make scores.

    Quite surprised at the dismissal of the Rossies' chances next weekend. Armagh are no world-beaters by any means and Ross have capable scoring forwards; winning in Omagh can never be discounted that easily.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Will you go away out of that with your "rules" and "reality"!

    The Mayo lads want someone to blame, cos they were obviously hard done by (yet again).

    You're spot on!

    Knockout is the only place it matters and Ros and Derry are still there because they won their knockout games.

    Mayo didn't. Instead they put far too much mental effort into a group game with the Dubs that was really not much more important than a league game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Avon8


    Yawn

    1. Most of their forwards have either been injured or playing injured all year

    2. Galway play 3 out and out defenders in their full back line. They're all good defenders but none are completely comfortable attacking and they nearly always stay outside the attacking zone. So rightly or wrongly every single team brings 15 back into the defensive 45 and says to Galway 'break us down with only 11 attackers v 15"

    Now whether that's Galway's fault for not committing these defenders to fully attack or the oppositions fault for bringing 15 inside their 45 is up for debate. But that's how Galway games end up being cagey, nothing to do with the efficiency of the forwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭henke


    What is the logic of this really?

    Conspiracy theorists might say the GAA want the glamour Kerry Dublin final every year and this lends itself to it. They will always win their province, highly likely to win their group, thus will usually land in a SF having not met. The best of Connacht and Ulster always have a high liklihood of meeting either in a group or the provincial Championship as demonstrated this year by Donegal Derry and Armagh all have playing each other at various stages. At least with the old provincial rotation system teams knew where they stood and not every final pairing could be the same. Not sure why they got rid of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    It can be discounted on here if you're a bitterly disappointed Mayo man though 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,426 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'm just pointing out how Galway don't score enough to challenge the likes of Dublin at this stage of the competition.

    Derry, another team tipped as a potential "dark horse" right now have the same problem.

    If it were Mayo in a quarter final I'd be making the same point as they also fail to light up the scoreboard.

    The reality is to win an All Ireland you really have to be able to get 18 plus points against teams like Dublin or Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭MfMan


    That is true, but it's an indictment as much as anything else of how football has gone now. None of the games this weekend were free-flowing or high scoring. It's a characteristic that practically all sides now play with 15 behind the ball when defending. No surprise that the best games this weekend were the Tailteann Cup where defences were more open and a bit looser.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Barlett


    I think we’ll see the importance of winning your group this coming weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Dublin occupy too much of the headspace of the Mayo team and especially supporters. Was at the League game in Castlebar earlier this year when they won for the first time in ages, and it was like they had won the All-Ireland.

    They would be Spurs if they were a Premier League team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I'd agree to a point, but the only realistic winner ever of that group, was Dublin.

    Don't forget, Roscommon burst a gut to draw with them in Croker last year, and that was the end of their season.…they couldn't recover from the post-Dubs hangover.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Surprised to see Dublin v Galway on GAAGO

    Perhaps it's to try and boost the attendance.

    Donegal v Louth at 1.15pm on Sunday, Croke Park will be quiet enough at that stage I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Have you not been following the football. Mayo threw away the game against Dublin. Mayo should have won the group. I felt that if they could get a couple of wins in the earlier matches and get Dublin to a neutral venue, then anything could happen. And it almost transpired that way. If only the Mayo lads had the sense to throw Ciaran Kilkenny to the ground in the last 30 seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,256 ✭✭✭✭km79




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    And the Rossies threw away the game in Croker last year. Any other of their freetakers would have kicked that winning free. But so what?! it doesn't matter. Neither Ros nor Mayo beat Dublin. That's exactly the point, that "nearly never bulled the cow".

    It's a problem in Mayo. Too many are too happy with "nearly".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would say Dublin by about 7 v Galway based on their previous meetings in the league etc.

    There always seems to be some sort of doubt v Galway re the fitness and/or form of Walsh and Comer.

    It is the one thing I think the Dublin set up do not get enough credit for, keeping players injury free/getting them fit. Jack McCaffery has been superbly managed for example.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    But Galway NEED Walsh and Comer fit and firing that is the difference. As I said overall Dublin manage their players fitness superbly. But Walsh and Comer always seem to be either half injured/injured and/or out of form THE two main men.

    You would surely have to question why as a Galway fan? Both of those lads are crucial cogs to the Galway team.

    When was the last time Galway had a flying fit and in form Walsh and Comer? Honestly. Has it ever happened?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Mackinac


    Referees announced

    D Coldrick - Derry v Kerry

    J McQuillan - Donegal v Louth

    S Hurson - Dublin v Galway

    M McNally - Armagh v Roscommon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭cosatron


    2022 when we reached the all ireland fianl was the last time both were flying fit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Comer missed the entire league. Introduced slowly back. Sub against Sligo. Brilliant against Mayo. Fine against Derry. Ankle stood on. Trying to protect the ankle a little put pressure on the hamstring and he strained it 🤷‍♂️ not sure the medical team can do much more than that other than not play him at all. I've referenced Small as they have similar builds with similar issues. Some people are just made that way.

    How many top professionals across the water with probably multi pound medical teams can't keep their players fit?

    Shane Walsh seems to have crept into this conversation some how. Comer is injury prone. That is a fact. Shane is carrying I'd say 3 injuries at this stage. But in his overall career he has missed very few games in the last 10 odd years. 2024 might be a disaster for him but in general he's usually on the pitch. Been asked to play through the pain currently but again what else can be done but not play him.

    Frustrating yes. But a lot of Galway injuries have been rehabilitated fine. Tierney/McDaid/Kelly/Glynn/Mulkerrin etc. (Etc could go on a while as we had a massive list)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Mackinac


    I thought it was a good Mayo crowd too. Was one of the Derry fans who travelled and there can’t have been more than several hundred of us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭cosatron


    dublin win incoming, Hurson has it in for galway. a complete boll*x



  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭fawlty682


    A whole month wasted to knock out 4 teams. Then Roscommon and Derry into last 8, after 3 defeats. Kerry haven’t had a serious match, and Derry won’t score enough to trouble them. If Roscommon play well, they will win, as Armagh will mess about in midfield for ages. Donegal easy win, Dublin v Galway could be good, if Galway turn up. Mayo and Cork snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, not for first time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Very easy manage when Dublin have pick of players they have and only 3 meaningful games a year. Imagine if Derry, Galway, Mayo had to just have players fit for 1/4 or semi final stage every year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭gigantic09


    Good luck against the Kingdom, hopefully a good few of Yee travel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Mackinac


    I hope so, every man, woman and child in the county needs to be galvanised at this point! It’s going to be a tough game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    If Galway are all cagey and reluctant to go at Dublin they'll be beaten easily even if they have the full team out which I can't see happening. We could trouble them but our record against Dublin is woeful.

    Kerry are starting to motor well, I can't see Derry being able to hold them on a fast pitch. They're not what we thought they were earlier in the year.

    I think Armagh will beat Roscommon fairly easily. Roscommon fell over the line against a Tyrone team which gave them the run of the pitch for 35mins and aren't even a good team when they do get going.

    Donegal will have far too much for Louth but hopefully you'd like to see them giving it a good rattle. As long as they don't take a pasting I think they'll be happy enough with their year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Barlett


    I was at that game, it was winning it with the last kick of the game more than anything that lead to the celebrations. The last time Mayo had beaten Dublin previously was 2022 so hardly ages.

    I’m always bemused by people who look down on a county celebrating a win…especially a last minute one, should everyone just shuffle out quietly and go home? Is that what you think everyone should do on Hill 16?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It was their first win in 12 years in Castlebar, don't know how you define ages.

    My point stands. Dublin occupy the headspace of the Mayo players and supporters. The celebrations were manic that evening. Of course teams and supporters should celebrate, but avoiding relegation or winning the League title are really the only reasons to go wild in a League game.

    I found it strange, the level of celebration, you are free to differ, that is what opinions are for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    There is a point there to an extent. But the top counties in all provinces have it handy enough except Ulster where they are out for war in attritional style of football.

    But I mean playing NY, Leitrim or Sligo are hardly "tough" taxing encounters are they?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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