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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I guess Judge Merchan gave him permission to travel :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems that Bannon, former CFTrump WH Chief of Staff, is spending his contempt of congress conviction time in a Connecticut federal low-security (not minimum security) prison nicknamed "The Wall" which is not a nice place. And, if his state trial on his 'Build The Wall' embezzlement scheme goes forward while he's still in the Fed pokey, he might be transferred to Rikers. Woo. Rikers.

    From WH COS to just another convict in Rikers. Pretty spectacular fall, and well deserved.

    https://www.salon.com/2024/06/18/steve-bannon-gets-news-former-adviser-wont-be-spending-his-time-at-club-fed/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Maxface


    As above, Isn't weird what this timeline is, to be afraid of artificial intelligence or immense stupidity. Both are dangerous, obviously, and both are here. I do know for sure though, what we don't need is immense stupidity regulating artificial intelligence, that would be both stupid and dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Will we get Artificial Intelligence regulating Immense Stupidity? (with a struggle between competing groups to sit at the "top" of both)

    We will get different brands of AI corresponding to different geo-political zones of influence,I think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭francois


    There's already been an epic bot/troll farm fail regarding disinfo

    https://twitter.com/jbhenchman/status/1803070485921411248?t=we69zoVXAenJmVQewv5NbQ&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Can you explain what that tweet is about? I don't have the patience to make sense of it all.

    Anyone else understand all that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,505 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A twitter account which was setup in Russia to post in support of Trump went haywire and posted the code it was set up with (the Russian in the first post instructs it to post in support of Trump in English). The second image shows that when called out on it, someone was able to confuse it and ordered it to post a poem about American Presidents, again showing that it's an AI bot and likely that Russian bot farms are operating on Twitter to post in support of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Thanks. Does anyone know the extent and character of this kind of thing?

    Do they just flood the zone (sounds Bannonesque,now) with anodyne comments to give the appearance that the online consensus is other than it really is?

    Or do they have a master (a bit like a drone pilot) who monitors the reaction and maybe try to discredit posters in real time with ,perhaps teams of posters backed up with computers for quick access to information (or suggested dis/misinformation)?

    Do the propaganda services of different countries all employ similar techniques now and have there been studies fleshing this out with real examples like this one apparently?

    Are some social media companies able to combat this or are we just into slippery eel territory?

    Should we all be avoiding social media that is not properly moderated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Does anyone else see this as him comparing himself to Christ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,843 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why do people que up for hours to listen to that rubbish?

    They Say kids are lost in their phones all day but here you have grown adults wiling to travel and stand for hours to listen to that demented rubbish.

    And we only see the clips. He drones on for 90 minutes usually. 90 minutes of incoherent, disconnected and childish nonsense.

    Add to that, they also have to sit through the support acts, which invariably are pound shop tribute acts to the main act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Cultism. Self-sacrificing to own de libs. Very xtian of them

    The irony, suggesting violence against immigrants at a 'Faith and Freedom' conference. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/22/trump-ufc-migrant-league-00164570



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,977 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    That migrant league business is profoundly weird. The audience seemed to be laughing more than cheering him though, as though they thought he was joking throughout. No doubt he would claim he was joking if challenged about it, but if that reduces all his speeches to jokes then where are his policies and proposals for a future 'reign'. The UN laughed at him, its the response of people who can't believe what they are hearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And remember he said, "I never joke." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-kid-aides-argue-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing/story?id=71404943

    NB: Love how in this instance it was future convicted felon Peter Navarro defending him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,136 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Primarily indoctrination.

    The secondary reason would be that they can meet other like-minded people they know won't disagree with them or ask questions. They can also reinforce each other's beliefs. The longer this continues the more painful it will be to abandon the belief system. They subconsciously know this so they need to keep reinforcing the mental prison they built for themselves.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Seems like that. Coincidentally I had a dream last night where I bit into an apple and it was completely filled with slugs on the inside.A bit like Trump's brain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭valoren


    More wounds than I suspect any President ever?

    Even the ones who were assassinated?

    This guys narcissism is truly god tier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Bone spurs are no joke. That man knows real suffering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's an event. Of course there is an element of the crowd who believes everything he says, but it may be closer to this 30 percent figure people keep throwing out for who of the Republican base is hardcore MAGA. I think a lot of them just like that he says things which píss people off.

    Steve Bannon laid the strategy out clearly some years ago. It's signal/noise. The media and many of Trump's opponents are still being bamboozled by the noise. It would appear that Bannon was and is so confident in the strategy that he can outline it in clear detail without it being foiled, such is the media's thirst for ratings and such is the general public's hunger for the latest tidbit.

    "Oh, my god, did you hear what stupid thing Trump said last night?"

    It shouldn't even be a story, it happens so often, yet so many people fall for it every time. Meanwhile, behind that smokescreen, Trump's backers are plotting to concentrate power in the presidency to an extent that if he gets in, he will be able to do a lot more than the first time.

    Whether Trump is stupid is kind of irrelevant at this point because the people like Stephen Miller who are advising him most certainly are not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Speaking of stupid things Trump says … I've noticed a trend amongst some anti-Trump YouTubers to ridicule his many fluffed lines when he's reading teleprompter speeches. They're frequently attributing it to "cognitive decline" but I think it's simpler than that: I reckon his eyesight is getting a bit iffy, and he's literally not able to read the words on the screen from time to time. Could be cataracts, could be diabetic retinopathy, could just be age-related short/longsightedness and he's too vain to wear glasses … but the more I see of these episodes in context, the more I'm convinced he's got problems in that respect.

    Doesn't stop me laughing at him making an eejit of himself, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,843 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Could be. But that doesn't explain how he gets names wrong, how he gets facts wrong so often, how he gets lost during interviews.

    And how does it explain his recent sharks and electrocution madness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭nc6000




    What's he going on about in this one from today?

    (How can I get the Tweet to display like the one in post #1362?) 🤔

    Post edited by nc6000 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I dont think so. The text size on teleprompter is adjustable can be 50+ point size. Even I could Iread it without my glasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    He has an entirely different style of behaviour and blather when he's riffing on his own initiative. That shows up something else, which I'd attribute to him being unable to remember stuff once he's "moved on". He'll get all hyped up about a random topic - like the batteries, like the volume of a toilet flush, like the corrupt judge - and can recycle his spiel for days/weeks/months on end. But if ever he's challenged about comments made or policy announced more than a couple of weeks/months ago he goes blank, then flips into "safe mode" and says something along the lines of "wait and see, we have a plan, you'll find out about it in two weeks".

    I wouldn't be sure either of the two candidates are going to make it through to the end of their term - but hey, they're who the 'Merican people want as their leader so …

    (not a peep out of anyone either, Dem or GOP, about reforming their electoral system).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,505 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You have to change X to twitter in the link for it to display the tweet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Oh, he'd been railing against low-water appliances for awhile, he's also said he gets into the shower with his very expensive shampoos and soaps, and gets no water out of it.

    And he'll get tens of millions of votes in a few months.

    On a different note, Beau mentioned something called the 'black jacket' revolt where a bunch of ultra-pure-blood-true-MAGATS in AZ made noises about recruiting others of their ilk to back Michael Flynn, because CFTrump is actually not really conservative, just playing them all for fools. Plus these black jackets were worried that CFTrump might, like, be in jail at the time of the convention. One can hope. Anyway, looks like the black jackets have been put back under their rock for now.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/6/23/2248188/-AZ-Republican-Operatives-Suppress-Plot-to-Oust-Trump?utm_campaign=recent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,761 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Maxface


    'Washing machines for dishes' Indeed. Hard to decipher the level of idiocy that is on display. On that talk he was at, he needs to add a bit more razzamatazz. It was deader in there than Trump Snr. Surely the Maga's have some tunes they can play, maybe at half-time he gets out the tee shirt gun and starts blasting tee shirts all over the place. Get some un-captured military men to come out and wave, maybe get the kids and wife out to hand out hats and flags. Even Fox news was getting bored.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Yeah, but that makes no difference if you can't see it because you've got a black cloud in your vision. If you watch several clips, you'll see he nearly always short-circuits when he's reading a polysyllabic word after he's read the first syllable on the teleprompter. Something is stopping him from seeing the rest of it, so he makes a guess, switches to the teleprompter on the other side, realises he's guessed wrong and goes into recovery mode.

    Some of these wacky tangents might be a sign that he's struggling to read both teleprompters now, so he has to fall back on one of his hobby-horse topics for a moment while things settle down (obviously trumpian moment = an eternity in normal human time).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    You said he can't read it because his eyesight is iffy. Now he has a "black cloud". Which is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,977 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The two things are not mutually exclusive. Most people in their late 70s would need glasses or a cataract operation at some stage. Not that we are likely to see Trump in glasses, it would distract from his gorgeous hair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,919 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Doesn't explain his acceleration of gaffs when not reading off the teleprompter



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It could be a bit of both.

    It's been widely reported that he does have glasses for reading , but he refuses to be seen wearing them - He was seen wearing them in one of the deposition videos.

    So , his eyesight isn't great which is more than expected at 78 years old so he can't really read the prompter so he then "ad-libs" and because he's not very intelligent and retains no information that isn't explicitly about him he rambles about absolute nonsense.

    Others in a similar situation might be able to fill in the blanks and stay mostly on topic because they have an actual understanding of the subject matter - He doesn't so he babbles about Sharks instead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Why all this talk about teleprompters? The man himself said this,

    “I’ve always said, if you run for president, you shouldn’t be allowed to use teleprompters,” Trump said in October. “Because you don’t even know if the guy is smart.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-teleprompter-224039

    You're not telling me Trump would backtrack on something like that? How would we know if he's smart or not?

    /sarc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They can just increase the font size. Besides reading glasses dont work so well when the text you are reading is 10 feet away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,977 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    True, but increasing the font size will not make a huge amount of difference with cataracts - it makes a bit of difference, agreed. Also I didn't mention reading glasses. He could have glasses for a distance of 10ft (or whatever), but vanity will not have him wearing glasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Opinions tended towards Trump backing out of the debates.

    Do ye still think he will?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I can't see it happening. Not at this late stage. It would show weakness and he never does that.

    That said, Im very surprised he agreed to the debate format as it stands.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,505 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Ego and bravado made him agree without properly reviewing or discussing the rules. His excuse for pulling out will be that they were all colluding against him, making the debate biased and unfair, no audience which isn't fair, and really Trump is so intelligent and super brave for having the strength to pull out of the debate. He'll then try set the rules for a different debate and when that's not agreed to; "See? Biden is afraid to debate me!"

    And his supporters will lap it all up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Any other presidential candidate in the past 100 years what you have described would be ludicrous, but as it DJT, that does actually sound plausible now that you have said it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,919 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Remember the last one when a load of his team knew infected with covid but said nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,100 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Kasey Hunt on CNN This Morning, just now, cut the interview with Trump's campaign secretary Karoline Leavitt just now. She was on for an interview on Trump and his prep for the Thursday debate. She instead started railing about Jake Tapper & Dana Bash being biased, leftist and that they will be unfair to Don the con™

    The strategy of laying out the media as being "elite" & biased towards her Gorg trash heap overlord.

    Apparently.... He is so great at everything that unlike Joe, he doesn't need to lock himself away to prepare for the debate🤦‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Or else,

    "We heard Crooked Joe Bi-den was going to talk about the corrupt judge and the corrupt trial in New York. But I can't talk about that because I'm under an unjust, highly illegal, gag order, where I can't talk about the trial at all. We asked the Bi-den Crime team to state that they wouldn't talk about the trial as I can't talk about it and they refused. They refused! They have nothing else. Nothing. No policies. No answer to inflation. No answer to crime. No answer to the border. Not like me. You know I know what to do

    And they want no audience there. No witnesses. No witnesses to the "debate". Can you imagine that? No Americans there. Imagine that. This old, crooked man wants to be president, but doesn't want any patriots to hear what he has to say. Why is that Joe? What kind of President does that? This man, proven to lie and cheat again and again and again wants to debate me with no witnesses! You know why, don't you? He's scared. Ol' Sleepy Joe, afraid of catching 20 winks at the debate. That's why he wants no witnesses.

    Look, if they want to play fair, we'll play. I'm not scared of Sleepy, Crooked Joe, but they won't play by the rules, so we're not gonna play their games.

    We'll keep talking to all you patriots on the campaign trial, but we're not gonna give Crooked Joe Bi-den and his crime family our time. Or waste your time having to hear him dribble.

    God bless you all and God bless America."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I think the debates will be crucial. If Biden comes across well it'll be the death nail for Trump. I'm just hoping Biden does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,903 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    No, you can't "just increase the font size". Someone with mature cataracts or diabetic retinopathy or macular degeneration loses part of their field of vision - they have a literal blind spot in their eye, or eyes. They can adapt to this and make use of the receptors that remain, but that means they need a smaller font size to be able to see the whole word, otherwise they have to move their head from side to side to scan the line of text. Now that's fine if you're reading words on a page and have glasses to help sort out concurrent problems, but there's a conflict of interest when it comes to a teleprompter.

    From what I've seen, Trump is getting increasingly agitated at having to use teleprompters (he's still perfectly happy to talk off the cuff to anyone who'll listen) and I'm inclined to think that it's a stark reminder to him - when he's in front of a crowd - that seriously failing eyesight is yet another thing that's out of his control. Cue going off on a tangent to his "happy place" where he can riff about sharks and showers and toilets and whatnot.

    It must be a bit of a nightmare for whoever's feeding the teleprompter to figure out at what point in the text he'll pick up the script again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    And a nightmare when he announces that he won't pay you either



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