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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Again, people are notoriously poor at judging the volume of traffic visually and they mistake efficiency for underutilisation, so they tend to underestimate the number of cycles and overestimate the number of cars.

    Beyond that, I see cycle lanes being used all the damn time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,564 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I corrected the few typing mistakes. You do not get it yes all of these actions are unpopular to many but they are a "manification of GP policy". They got there policies implemented, you or I may disagree with them but they got them f@@king implemented.

    How many SF policies were implemented in the last fifteen years and how many in the next 5 at least the way the polling numbers are. ..ya that is right f@@king NONE

    As I said wake up and smell the coffee. No party in a coalition gets all its policies implemented for a small mudguard the GP got a significant amount of its policies implemented. Some have an element of EU involvement but with the GP in government they were pushed through.

    But many that I listed had nothing to do with the EU

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I seen a thread in Motor forum about someone seeing more English plate cars, I wonder is that because immigration is a hot topic

    People see what they want to see to be honest, the number of cyclists are growing and giving them more space will improve that, we should have areas safe for children to use a bicycle to school and not spent the entire time dodging cars with people in them driving too fast because they are alwasy late

    So one bus is late and the entire public transport system is broken

    Over 308 million passenger journeys were provided by Dublin Bus, Bus Éireann, Iarnród Éireann, Luas, Go-Ahead Ireland and TFI Local Link on ‘Transport for Ireland’ Public Service Obligation (PSO) services last year, making it the busiest ever year for our public transport network. This is the first year ever that passenger numbers on PSO services have exceeded 300 million.

    ANyway we seem to have gone down a rabbit hole which has nothing to do with the actual thread, plenty of threads bashing the Green Party the discussion can be taken to :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well, yes, parties in opposition don't get many policies implemented. Considering most of the SF policies revolve around sorting out the homeless and healthcare crises you could argue they will never be implemented by a FFG led govt. But then again considering most of their voters are landlords, farmers bankers and Private hospital owners you can understand it to an extent

    the number of cyclists are growing

    Do you have stats to back this up?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You are going down a rabbit hole which has nothing to do with SF so will leave for another thread

    SF have no interest in sorting out homeless when they try and block as many houses as possible, look at Mary Lou and her mate from Foxrock blocking a huge apartment complex required in a part of city beside hospitals etc, with great transport links etc

    So saying Sinn fein are sorting out homeless is nonsense

    Healthcare, the Minister for Health said he would hire loads more consultants, when it was pointed out to him how was he going to do this when his Minister for Finance wants to hire even a new hire consultant with more taxes he couldn't answer

    They also said the answer to the HSE issue was build refabs 😂

    Good luck on that one



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So no stats then? Fair enough I had expected that. It's ironic really, the SF supporters on here always have to back up what they say (and to be fair, usually do) but the FFG supporters, and in this case the green party ones, can spout any old nonsense and call it a fact. It's this exact mentality that got Donald Trump elected in the states, horrifying stuff



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It took 2 seconds on google, who is spouting nonsense?


    The CSO said that the number of people who drove to work increased by 4% to 1.2 million between 2016 and 2022. The level of cycling overall increased by 18.4% between 2016 and 2022, now making up 2.9% of commuters nationally — this is higher in cities, a breakdown of which will be released later this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are right, all of those things were sitting there as policies gathering dust until the Greens came along and gave them a real push. By next year, we will have railway orders in place for a number of major infrastructural improvements, all thanks to Eamon Ryan. Pedestrian improvements all over Dublin City Centre. Hundreds of km of new cycle lanes.

    Going back to Sinn Fein, partition has existed for over 100 years, and in that 100 years, they have done nothing to advance abolishing it, other than organising a few in-house rallies. They would be delighted with the Greens record in policy achievement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You could just as easily attribute that rise to the success of cycling at the Olympics.
    The relevant comparison - commuting to work is here in the actual CSO site, not a cycling magazine.

    Commuting by bike remained at the same level as in 2016 (3%), down from a high of 7% in 1986.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpp7/census2022profile7-employmentoccupationsandcommuting/commutingtowork/



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Sinn-Fein-Westminster-Election-Manifesto-2024.pdf

    If you are looking for a joke, have a read of this.

    "We are leading the way to build a stronger, better and fairer country" but we won't take our seats in Westminister to actually do something about this.

    "By voting for Sinn Féin people are endorsing strong leadership, positive change, and a commitment to work for all." We are really good at generic meaningless phrases that could be a part of any party's manifesto.

    "People here want positive change, and Sinn Féin is the only party that offers an all-island approach to deliver that change.
    Sinn Féin’s influence has been central to the incredible transformation that has taken place in the North.
    "

    These two consecutive sentences sum up our schizophrenic mentality. We claim credit for an "incredible transformation" while simultaneously seeking to change away from that incredible transformation. Kindergarten stuff.

    "Constitutional change requires an Irish government to prepare for the future in a strategic and responsible fashion.
    This includes establishing a Citizen’s Assembly which creates an opportunity for people to engage in a dialogue addressing all the practical and positive possibilities that constitutional change can bring
    ." We want constitutional change but we are not prepared to do anything about it, we will just leave that up to others.

    The whole manifesto reads like a transition year student project.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It is a excellent view of an incompetent party



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭pureza


    You won't be saying that when they increase their seat number at the general election



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Unless they form a government they will be incompetent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If they produce a joke of a manifesto like the one in the North at the general election here, they will be lucky to outpoll the PBP.

    Sinn Fein are bereft of ideas, reduced to MLMD shouting for "change".



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Plenty of people around who don't bother reading the manifesto, again I refer to the person who has spent years posting on the green agenda thread, claiming to be an expert on everything, yet had no idea the SF alternative budget said it would increase spend and speed up wind compared to the government

    You have a load who think they will all get a free house as well if voting SF.

    Some think MLMD and Pearse shouting all the time is good, hence why SF might get more seats, personally I doubt it. i think people have copped on finally to them. Plus the media will have a lot more focus this time on their policies, exoect it to crash and burn



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have to agree about the crash and burn.

    We are at most nine months out from the general election. Sinn Fein have had over four years to set out what they would do differently. You look at their website, their speeches, their documents and there is a complete absence of coherent policy.

    Just to take one spokesperson and one area of policy - the idiot that is Martin Kenny. He is their spokesperson on transport and communications.

    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/taoiseach-must-intervene-to-ensure-aer-lingus-re-enter-talks-with-ialpa-martin-kenny-td/

    "Sinn Féin spokesperson on Transport and Communications, Martin Kenny TD, has called on the Taoiseach to intervene to ensure that Aer Lingus management return to the negotiating table with IALPA representatives as a matter of urgency."

    Does he think that the government still owns Aer Lingus? Does he somehow think that the Taoiseach can just ring up the CEO of a private company and tell them what to do? Naive, foolish, ignorant, idiotic, those are the best words to describe Kenny. Here he is last week on the DART spur to Clongriffin.

    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/widespread-support-for-clongriffin-to-dublin-airport-dart-route-martin-kenny-td/

    He is talking as if he has only just heard about it and this is some great new idea.

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fingal_North_Dublin_Transport_Study_Final_June_2015.pdf

    The Fingal North Dublin Transport Study looked at it in June 2015. Essentially, the elevated approach as proposed by Irish Rail would not work.

    "The multi-criteria analysis has demonstrated that HR2 is not the best public transport solution to serve the study area and performs poorly in economic terms. The scheme is more expensive than initially considered due to the requirement to provide a tunnel at the Airport to avoid impacting upon development potential."

    Of course, the bould Martin knows better than the experts.

    If he is the calibre of person that Sinn Fein are presenting for Ministerial purposes, I despair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    That has to be the most stupid thing I have seen in a while, Mary Lou was doing a TikTok on it the other day. Do they realise Aerlingus is owned by IAG who are a massive company who can deal with their own staff. Why would the government get involved?

    Details are not things for SF or supporters to worry about. It's all huff and puff from them and then excuses



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Also, the pilots that SF are claiming they want to help are the target for their "tax the rich" policy they came out with :-)

    SF should keep out of it because the pilot will be screwed by them



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Huff and puff from them is right. Saw this quote from a SF candidate after the elections:

    "What we do is we dust ourselves off after it [the election], we’ll learn what went wrong and we change to give the people exactly what they want."

    It sums up Sinn Fein completely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Oh that is a cracking one

    Expect more populist nonsense that doesn't give a coherent plan so…..hopefully the media actually review their policies and try to pull them together so they show the mess they are



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You'd almost think that manifestos have been followed and that we had 'coherent plans' as the norm here.
    If coherent plans mean we get fiascos like immigration, housing and health and shitshows like the Children's Hospital then vote for more coherent competent plans.




  • Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is amazing how touchy their supporters are about the lack of policies.

    Will be interesting to see how crazy the Sinn Fein alternative budget is this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    When you see SF supporters who have no idea what their policies are or the policies of other parties you can see why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    from what from what?

    I gave an opinion which is more than you have ever done



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,666 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So, no responsibility for bad election results, no costings for any policies and no coherent manifesto.

    High bar you have for supporting a political party there.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wrong on no. 1

    Costings have been done as far as I can see.

    What’s a coherent manifesto? I don’t read them since Enda’s New Politics spoofing.

    Get in, do the job and we’ll see where the bar is and judge how you do.



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