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Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

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  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭kyleman


    Everyone is entitled to their opinion but reading back through your exchanges it is obvious that you have a good golfing background and understanding of the game.

    I've often called Rory out myself but a lot of the exchanges on here get personal very quickly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭kyleman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    He made lots of mistakes throughout the round. His chipping and particularly his putting were exceptional. Even with the 2 short putts, he performed well in strokes gained putting afaik. Good putting conceals average approach and wedge play. After the 1st hole, he hardly had another look at a birdie until 9, certainly nothing especially makeable. The only short putt he had for a birdie was on 13, the result of a 15 yard chip. I think you overestimate how well he played overall on Sunday. His driving was v good. His putting was exceptional until 16. Iron play was nothing to write home about.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are you claiming the friends are elite professional golfers?

    “I'd hazard a guess no one on here plays golf with elite professional golfers.”

    Otherwise your post quoted above makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I think you overestimate how well he played overall on Sunday

    He was -4 and was hitting the ball beautifully. He was playing exceptionally well.

    Although, according to you, you can't play fabulous golf at a US Open.

    He was moat certainly playing well enough to not shoot +3 on the final 5 holes. Nor were those holes playing that difficult, nearly all of the field played it better than him.

    Why did he go from GIRs to missing fairways (badly) and missing greens off the tee? Why did he suddenly start making very bad mistakes? None of his mistakes earlier in the round were that bad. 5 was a yard away from perfection.

    It amazing that you legitimately believe pressure wasn't the cause of more than one of those mistakes (and you've an exceptionally odd take as to where his mistake was)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Name me 1 iron shot that he laced to within gimme distance? Or even within 10ft? There wasnt a single 1. 9 was what, 13ft odd, maybe 15?

    He knew he hadnt hit the shot on 5 properly, he reacted negatively instantly. If it had stayed on the green, it wouldve been the result of good fortune, not a good swing or a precision strike.

    I repeat, he drove the ball very well. He putted exceptionally well. But this wasnt Congressional or Kiawah, where he was knocking pins out every second hole. His approach play was way below what he is capable of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Its a US Open, he wasn't attacking pins. If you wanna argue he wasn't lying fantastic golf to that point sure, not one I'll agree with.

    Name a any other stretch of 5 holes where he made 6 undisputable mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    He had several short irons and wedges from the fairway courtesy of his driving. Trying to pretend that he was deliberately shying away from every pin in 13 holes (excluding 13 and the par 3s) is a stretch to say the least.

    He made 2 bad mistakes on 5 alone, the 2nd and the 3rd, which both left him in terrible spots with a left pin. Wouldnt have to look too hard to find a few more.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭kyleman


    You said in your original question that you would hazard a guess that my friends are not elite professional golfers.

    I doubt anyone here plays golf with elite professional golfers.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My point being, your friends may say it is easy to miss a downhill putt with plenty of break, which it is if you are an amateur, but I doubt the friends you are quoting are elite professional golfers, who expect to make short downhill putts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    name the stretch of 5 holes where he made 6 mistakes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Wedge to 40ft on 3. V poor for a tour pro. Bad 2nd to 4, missed green right from the fw. 2 bad shots 5. Left a putt short from 14ft at 6. Weak. Missed greens on 7 and 8 with irons from the fw.

    Hey, theres 7 mistakes over 6 holes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I don't think you'll find anyone arguing they're mistakes. 5 was most certainly one mistake for example. I don't think you know what a mistake is but I'll indulge it.

    How did his mistakes go from those which are pretty minor to missing fairways and greens in awful spots? Pressure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭OEP


    His irons weren't good round 4, strokes gained -1.81 so I don't think you can argue otherwise.

    Rahm said the putt on 18th was difficult, so I'll take his word on it. Still, a pro should be holing it but it wasn't the gimme 16 was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    They were mistakes though, werent they? Its a pretty all encompassing word and it covers all of those errors from which he was able to recover (3,4,7,8,14,17) and those that he wasnt (5,15, 16, 18).

    There were only 2 truly awful spots he got into where recovery was just about impossible. One was 5, which was far removed from his choke sequence, as you saw it. The other was 15, which was a good shot but a fatal misclub. I dont see pressure having had a major influence over either of the shots that got him into these positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    They were mistakes though, werent they?

    See your selective interpretation of the word to suit a narrative instead of interpreting it in good faith?

    No. For example, there's one mistake on 5. A 2 putt par from 14 foot isn't a mistake. By that definition of a mistake, every missed putt is a mistake which is obviously ridiculous. And I could continuebut Ill indulge it.

    It's amazing his course management went from really good to really bad but pressure didn't factor into that according to you. Odd it turned on it's head the moment he took the lead?

    There were only 2 truly awful spots he got into where recovery was just about impossible.

    That's interesting, why was he able to recover on holes 1-14 (+1 mistakes) on the recoverable mistake but wasn't on holes 15-18 (+3 mistakes)?

    15 was a bad shot and wrong club. Trying for a high towering shot and hitting it low. Everything about the tee shot was awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    I was trying to be polite, apologies. You see

    'I don't think you'll find anyone arguing they're mistakes.'

    and

    'I don't think you know what a mistake is' is a nonsensical and hopelessly contradictory sequence of phrases. This isnt about 'bad faith', its about literacy and consistency. You seem to possess neither. And before you whine about emotive language use, the first person to use words like 'ridiculous' to describe my stance during our debate was your good self

    It wasnt just a '2 putt' though, was it? He left it short. To leave a makeable birdie putt short when youre behind in a US Open when a player knows such chances are likely to be few and far between is a mistake. Nobody with any knowledge of competitive golf could describe it any other way.

    Outside of the club on 15 (and Harry has to take some slack for that imo) I dont see anything especially poor regarding course management.

    Between holes 1-15, 6 excepted, he made a lot of missable putts. Over the last 3 holes, he missed a couple of makeable putts. Thats all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    X…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    This isnt about 'bad faith', its about literacy and consistency. You seem to possess neither.

    Attack the post not the poster

    I didn't realize dyslexia made me illiterate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Youre a mod now are you? I was hypothesising (seem) not attacking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Ill leave it to the mods to deal with it. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Dyslexia isnt the issue here. Dont know why youd bring it up, bit insulting and patronising to anybody who has a diagnosis, yourself included (assuming youre not lying about it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Ill leave it to the mods to deal with. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Russman


    Jeez, we're setting the oul bar very high with regard to "mistakes" aren't we ?? Bloody hell. Seems a shot that isn't perfect is a mistake now. Golf is a game of mistakes and misses (and a bit of luck too), that's why they carry wedges and putters. Look at yer man shooting 59 the other day with only 6 fairways hit. Useless fecker was making mistakes all day long 😀. The tour guys hit the ball more or less the same, more or less all the time, with some exceptions obviously. Usually the only difference between a 67 and 72 is up and down a few more times or a few more putts holed.

    All that said, I don't dispute for second that Rory messed up big time. I'd actually give him a small bit of a pass on the putt on 18, there was serious break in it on those very fast greens, but the one on 16 was a killer IMO. I don't know how it happened, carelessness, a loss of concentration, a twitch, who knows. The tee shot on 15 was definitely a mistake IMHO, that should have been 8 iron to the front all day long. For me, 17 was fine, not that bad a tee shot, good bunker shot and a putt, no issues. The next mistake was the choice of driver on 18, was it influenced by Bryson's tee shot on the par 3 ? So, I think 2 mental lapses and a missed tap in (which may have been another mental lapse too) in that run of holes. You can be sure he and everyone else made plenty of "mistakes" in the rest of their rounds too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭boardise


    From my own experience I've formed the view that for any distance putts of about 15 ft. or longer ( with no particular complications like e.g. a double ridge ) a leave of 10 % or less of the distance constitutes a decent effort . So for a 25 ft. putt a leave of 2 1/2 ft would not be a bad putt in my estimation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    Hank Haney was forgiving of the missed putt on 18. He said it was a hard putt - left to right downhill on lightning fast greens.

    16 he says was awful - no excuses.

    According to him, the over-club on the par 3 15th was the big mistake and Tiger never would have done this.

    It will be interesting to hear Rory's take on events on why he hit a 6 here and not 7.

    Obviously not using the same irons now but this quote from Rory from ten years ago may explain why:

    “My favorite club in the bag is actually the one I practice with the most when I’m on the range, which is my (Nike VR Pro Blade) 6-iron. It’s my go-to club when I’m working on something in particular because it’s right there between a long iron and a short iron. For me, I can hit a bunch of different shots with it, and over the years, it’s really served me well on the range and the course.

    “I’ve actually become pretty accurate on approach shots from 175-200 yards because I spend so much time practicing with my 6-iron. I’m typically inside the top 5 or close to it every year in the PGA Tour proximity to the hole stat from 175-200 yards. I started using the VR Pro when I came on board with Nike and really like the look and shape of the iron.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    why he hit a 6 here and not 7.

    He hit a 7 iron. The question is why did he hit 7 not 8.

    5.39pm below:

    https://nolayingup.com/blog/2024-us-open-back-nine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,619 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Hank did say about the caddie issue, that Steve Williams wouldn't allow such a bad decision. To which it was pointed out that Williams was there when Scott bogeyed 4 in a row at the Open



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    Ah right - was going off my bad memory there.

    But I have checked this and Rory bogeyed the 15th hole in rounds 2 and 3 and was short of the green both times so with that in mind, it is understandable that he went through the green on the last round.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Any missed green around that place is going to leave a tricky shot but long on 15 goes into the wiregrass where any kind of playable lie is total pot luck and you still have a 20ft shaved rise to navigate for your 2nd. For Rory to even get that shot on the green was impressive in a way that many wont or cant really appreciate; his lie was awful, to the point where he had to drag the iron away from the grass during the stroke to even make a pass at the ball.

    Short wouldnt have been great at all but he wouldve had a lie, and if you give him a lie, the way he chips and the way he was chipping all day (and putting), he was odds on to get up and down. Where he hit it, I think he makes 4 (or worse) 85pc of the time

    It was purely a misclub. The swing and shot were both made to order, a sawed off, cut 7 iron that was simply 1 club out. Again, I dont know how much input Harry had, but I think, despite his referencing the 2 short putts in his statement, the shot on 15 might be the one that niggles him the most 25 years from now, purely because he hit a solid shot and made bogey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't want to see him win the Scottish. I'll be happy with a nice top 10 finish. I just have this feeling that he'll win in Troon if he has a decent week, and not a win, in Scotland.

    I'd be of the opinion that he's worked harder on his game and the mental side of things over the last couple of weeks than maybe he ever has before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭coillcam


    He did little wrong when Cam Smith putted the lights out. Rory didn't make much that day. Sometimes it's not your day and major golf is tough. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a good performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭valoren


    Nothing Williams can do about a player mishitting their shots based on the yardage and clubs advised. I don't think Scott was misclubbed or questioned any club he was given during that 4 hole stretch. He choked under the pressure. Haneys point is that McIlroy was misclubbed or since he went over the green at a crucial point. That this was something which rarely, if ever happened, during the Woods/Williams days i.e. if Woods went over the green at such a crucial point then it would either have had to be a complete mishit on a good club/yardage or a perfectly struck shot which missed because of a misclub, that it wouldn't be a choke because he is Tiger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well Rory wasn't 'misclubbed' because his caddy never has a say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I was following Scott in Lytham that Sunday.

    He had a nightmare on 16th green, and then disappeared into a portaloo for a couple of minutes to try to regather himself. Williams was left standing nearby with the bag, wondering what the hell to do with himself.


    Even after another bogey on 17 - par on 18 would have made a play off. Poor shot selection off the tee had him up against the face of a fairway bunker and he ended up bogeying. Lots of players took iron off the tee on 18 that day - Scott took 3 wood and it killed off his playoff chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭cosatron


    good opening round today from Rory. Handle himself fairly well yesterday in the interviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Barnaboy


    Surprised this thread is so quiet after Rory's return to action. It was a decent week. In my opinion it was ruined by the few holes around the turn yesterday. After being so patient at the US Open he was back to normal.

    Chasing pins when no need to, stupid bogies on 7 and 9 and only par on 10. Before all that he was only 2 or 3 back with both Bob and Aberg struggling.

    I was hoping to see a really strong mental game this week from him. Unfortunately don't think it is there yet.

    Looking like the major drought will continue into 2025. Prove me wrong Rory!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭cosatron


    4 rounds in the red a week before an open and haven't played a tournament in a month was a good tune up. Delighted for Rob McIntrye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I have to say that he looked great but missed a few short putts again. He needs to get that sorted before the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,932 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Shane needs to get onto his own caddy and tell him to work harder 😉


    https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/articles/c51yppgxy3yo.amp



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Leona Maguire sacked her caddy and she won 2 weeks ago but missed the cut at the evian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    That's so disappointing…what an awful double bogey….he just can't be doing that if he wants to win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It's windy this week. His chances of winning are very slim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Out of contention day one



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,004 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Jesus terrible double bogey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't think he's gotten over the US Open yet. Last week he played well in decent conditions but he missed a lot of short putts and I was thinking after it that it would affect him this week.

    I don't know if he has a sports psychologist but if not he should get one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Mcilmiss playing to his usual standards. At least he’ll avoid the choker’s label this time out

    Mod Edit: Contribute please as this is a trolling/flaming post, tks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Rory +5 now, if he can get in +3 or 4 he is still in it. Very windy out there today.



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