Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Very surprised at the non-condemnation of tarring all Israeli's as vile animals. Shocking.

There's a war in Gaza and the Westbank. Any semblance of credibility remaining has been lost to Israel due to it's actions regarding the Westbank.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-rights-office-criticises-israel-over-deaths-500-palestinians-west-bank-2024-06-04/

If the Zionists are making up claims about someone else doing something, you can be damn sure they are projecting only a fraction of their own atrocities.

Anyone else see the Hezbollah drone footage on the military installations and Infrastructure hidden among civilians in Northern Israel?

Almost 17,000 murdered children now.

Baffling how an Irish person could support Zionists..

Then again, Irish people also fought for the British. Some things never change.

See, there's never been an insurgency where the fighters weren't amoungst the population. That's the problem with asymmetric warfare. It doesn't matter if it's the IRA in the 20's, the Warsaw uprising against the nazis or Gaza, you will always find rebels in amoungst the population.

That's why i find the constant narrative of "Human Shields" from the israelis so annoying. According to them, every single group they've fought for the last 20 years has been using human shields. In gaza it's small groups of urban guerrillas and for some reason they're expected to all go and stand in a field together so they can be targeted by israel.

Have Hamas fighters ever actually stood behind a civilian and used them as an actual human shield. Because there's been plenty of footage of IDF walking along streets with Palestinian civilians at gun point and using them as human shields.

Pretty funny to think about all the claims of "Hamas propaganda" when Israel is so completely and utterly engaged in it in the US and Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel-fund-us-university-protest-gaza-antisemitism

"One struggles to find a parallel in terms of a foreign country’s influence over American political debate"

Eli Clifton of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft

It's a remarkable article some here would never be capable of bringing themselves to read, like a closed envelope housing potentially devastating medical results, because it lays out exactly how they became so radicalised and extreme in less than a year. Since they're too cowardly to ever click through and realise they were the victims of Israel's disinformation campaign, I've summarised it below with ChatGPT.

• Targeting US College Campuses:
  • Israeli government relaunches a controversial program, now called Voices of Israel, to influence US college campuses.
  • Programs include advocacy efforts and funding through non-profits that do not disclose donor information.

• Redefining Antisemitism in US Law:
  • Campaign to redefine antisemitism to include certain criticisms of Israel, using the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition.
  • Israeli-funded groups influencing US state legislation to include this definition in hate crime laws.
  • Congressional efforts to encode this definition into Department of Education standards.

• Covert Operations and PR Campaigns:
  • Use of a public relations firm to secretly pressure American lawmakers with pro-Israel content through fake social media accounts.
  • Partnerships with US advocacy groups to shape public and political discourse, including influencing congressional hearings and investigations.

• Influencing Political Debates and Policies:
  • Coordination with American advocacy groups like the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP) to influence congressional investigations and hearings.
  • ISGAP's involvement in shaping discourse around antisemitism and protests against Israel’s human rights record.

• Partnerships with US Organizations:
  • Collaboration with groups like Hillel International and the National Black Empowerment Council to bolster support for Israel.
  • Pro-Israel groups acting as “trusted partners” to social media platforms to suppress certain content critical of Israel.

• Financial and Strategic Support:
  • Significant funding from Israeli government sources to American advocacy groups and initiatives, with the Israeli ministry of diaspora affairs allocating substantial budgets for these efforts.
  • Support for non-governmental organizations to lead campaigns related to US policy and campus discourse, with financial backing and strategic guidance from the Israeli government.

• Legislation and Policy Influence:
  • Direct involvement in drafting and promoting state and federal legislation related to antisemitism and criticism of Israel.
  • Efforts to pass “anti-BDS” laws that penalize Americans for boycotting or protesting against Israel.

• Influence on University Policies:
  • Strategic partnerships leading to administrative actions against pro-Palestinian student groups, influencing campus policies and suspensions.

• Use of Dark Money and Covert Funding:
  • Utilizing dark money partners and non-disclosed funding sources to support pro-Israel advocacy efforts.
  • Coordination with multiple pro-Israel groups globally to ensure unified efforts in shaping public opinion and policy.

In January, Vaknin-Gill and Small testified before a Knesset committee debating the proper response to critics of Israel. During the testimony, several witnesses discussed the need to encourage countries to adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of antisemitism, which equates harsh criticism of Israel and anti-Zionism – including claims that the state of Israel is a “racist endeavor” – with antisemitism.

Many critics on both the left and right have taken issue with the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition, which they say stifles the first amendment by curtailing the ability to criticize a government entity and wields concerns around antisemitism as a cudgel to penalize critics of Israeli policy.

But the participants in the hearing made clear that the IHRA definition should be a strategic priority for the state of Israel.

They don't give a toss about antisemitism itself. They just want it expanded so that they can't be criticised.

Rather than it being pro-Zionism, I believe its more just anti-Arab/Muslim sentiment. We've had decades of this shoved down our collective Western throats. Its a mindset that no matter how hard you may have tried to resist it'll eventually creep in. This segways nicely into Israel then being the shining light of first defense against the hordes of marauders who'd otherwise be making their ways here to set up a Caliphate in Borrisokane or wherever.

interestingly the bill drafts I’ve seen where politicians have been trying to throw red meat to Zionists about adopting the IHRA definition specifically call out that “nothing in this bill etc” defines antisemitism as criticizing Israel or limiting the first amendment so on and so forth. Those bills are basically PR stunts. It’s a wonder the vast majority of them have died at introduction and their sponsors have done little if anything to push for them after getting their likes and upvotes on social media. Like the federal bill Tim Scott introduced is just languishing without any further thought. At worst South Carolina passed its own version but upon reading it you can see it does little more than wave a miniature Israeli flag, and does not construe antisemitism as criticism of Israel similar to what other countries would receive (eg. For engaging in genocide, ethnic cleansing, using human shields, etc) nor does it abridge the first amendment:

https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess125_2023-2024/bills/4042.htm

I answered your question. If you don't want to answer mine, that's your choice.

did you ask a question? Looked like a loaded attempt to try and make some point. Which you are free to state.

Yes, I asked a question. It's the sentence that starts with "Do you think" and ends with a question mark.