Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

In order for this iteration of the far-right to poll well there would have to a dramatic deterioration in conditions, the present assemblage of far-right parties are politically inept and incapable of broad-based political communication - with the exception of a minor urban demographic they are unpalatable to the electorate. I expect that will change - there is a consensus that levels of immigration, particularly asylum, are excessive and public opinion on immigration has, over time, tended to favour a decrease in immigration. As an issue there is an abundance of interest in immigration but communication on the issue has to be moderated effectively - Michael McNamara discusses immigration convincingly, Michael McDowell discussed immigration convincingly. If the far-right learns to actually discuss and debate immigration there will be votes there.

@Geert von Instetten Michael McNamara discusses immigration convincingly

~ Youtube: - Questioning Justice Minister Helen McEntee on immigration data

Feedback on twitter called him a turncoat, when news broke that he maybe joining the Renew Group (which happens to have Fianna Fáil members). Probably reading the title and thinking he was joining Fianna Fáil!? ~ [Archive Link]

The Renew Group is resposible for formation of EU MIGRATION AND ASYLUM PACT?

https://www.reneweuropegroup.eu/news/2024-04-10/migration-and-asylum-pact-reform-delivered-despite-far-right-attempts-to-wreck-european-solutions

I guess this is why.

If this is the level of justification from pro immigration posters, no wonder people look askance.

You state that 'the vast majority of Irish people have no interest' in testing EU policies on these matters. And then proffer proof of this in that you 'just looked at the most recent elections results'.

Blithely ignoring several opinion polls which found that substantial numbers of Irish people have considerable worries about what is going on. And blithely ignoring that the likes of local councillors are elected to fix potholes etc etc and have little to no role in matters of immigration policy.

Do you expect to be taken seriously at all?? The arguments offered are laughable.

There was no mention of “potholes” when you were predicting that “this crowd are heading for some drubbing in the real poll, the vote on June 7th” (note the “real poll” bit). When it didn’t transpires you bizzarely tried to claim it indicated some kind of seismic shift anyway. Now you’re trying to dismiss the election results entirely. Laughable indeed.

CI love out you ignore democratically run elections where everyone is allowed participate versus an opinion poll that is run by God only knows and asks God only knows.

So I guess the most recent referendum results should also be ignored and result should instead be based on on all the opinion polls that said it would be a yes? Whats that? No, you do think that should happen? I didnt think you would.

So hang on, let's ignore the results of the European elections where people are only asked to elect the people who decide on European legilsation because its a terrible barometer for judging what people want to do with european legilsation? More holes in that argument then the biggest lump of Swiss cheese ever made.

The arguments you've offered are comical.

A big problem for the right wing populists is that their "immigration is not good for the country" argument appears to be falling flat with the electorate. Undoubtedly, there are problems attached with high net immigration (pressure on accommodation, services, infrastructure etc) but on balance, Irish people seem to think on balance that immigration is good for the country, even when the numbers arriving are on the high side.

The asylum situation has definitely been handled badly by the government, up to and including this year. There are signs though that since Harris was made Taoiseach of a toughening up of the asylum rules and the implementation of them.

I agree that the far-right argument is, at present, considerably less convincing then it has the potential to be - the local and European elections are evidence of that. I disagree that asylum is the only problematic form of immigration - though it is indeed incredibly problematic - as I say, I’m unconvinced that language visas are of any particular value to the State and actually, I’m increasingly sceptical of student visas in general. The State inevitably requires skilled immigration and that will remain the case, that said, I believe that there is an argument to be made to retain skilled professionals (doctors, nurses, builders) rather than import them from countries with less comprehensive qualification standards.

Someone should immediately go to the various shanty towns springing up in Dublin and get those lads to confirm their credentials so they can practice medicine asap!!!! 🤥

There are a lot of people who have no view either way on migrants …. and are much more concerned about the type of abusive native Irish filth that burn down buildings and set fire to buses in Dublin …. the same type who rob houses, offices, churches and factories and make our streets unsafe at night …. when people went out to vote they voted for normal politicians not these wannabe Trumps …. people are wise to the poison these lowlives spread and see it is them who are the problem …. they spread unfounded lies and actually burn down buildings not even associated with migrants …. they rape our women, attack them and get off with a suspended sentence when in court, they burgle our houses, they rant and rave on our public transport, they get away with anti social behaviour …. and these filth have the nerve to abuse migrants …. as well as Irish people ….

Except you claimed the issue of immigration was of less importance than various other issues, which according to polling is incorrect - for voters concern over immigration was the second vote determinant after political affiliation.

Indeed, the argument is less that you would detain them in the State unwillingly than that you would create conditions that would convince them to remain.

Classic tactics, come out and fight for the people when holidays are at risk and the people will remember that good deed.

@MegamanBoo This youtube video was post 3rd June highlighting your views.

He still got a preference from me and after elimations my transfers landed with him.

Timely of this lady's court case, I thought she had a date in July for it?

Wonder will any representative of the Government show?

Ryanair fly direct to two cities in Morocco. Cheapest deportation ever.