Aer Lingus Flight Crew Industrial relations thread 2024

I transferred through Stansted on Saturday and will do so again next month. queues were quite short.

Profiteering off people’s pain on the other hand won’t be forgotten as quickly.

these flights are dear but if people are happy to pay, they at least get to where they want to go.

Dude seems to be only telling the truth.

Has been a lot of 'sickness' amongst the pilot cohort recently.

All it takes is one pilot to claim they are 'fatigued' then with a work to rule there goes the flight.

Lets deal with the facts here.

Im making no comment on whether the pilots deserve what they want or not.

All I am saying is that flights being cancelled at the gate given the strict work to rule being operated is not

a myth put out by Moriarty. It can and will happen if this continues on.

Scaremongering its not.

Both sides are off to the labour court tomorrow but separate meetings. Hopefully for everyone sake it’s the start of the end of this

that’s consistent though; it’s understandable that pilots will “cancel” in circumstances like this and in the past others would agree to work at short notice. It’s that latter aspect which won’t be available so presumably the report of potential cancellations at the point of boarding makes sense - hopefully rare but there must be statistics on how many pilots have to cancel on an average day.

I wish you'd take your own advice and only deal with the facts. There is no evidence that the level of sickness amongst the pilots has increased as of late, nor would the pilot body be stupid enough to take unofficial industrial action of that sort at any stage, let alone at a point where they have legitimate action on the horizon and every move they make is being scrutinised. Aer Lingus would take any opportunity to bring IALPA to the high court and the pilots know that.

The only source for this claim is Moriarty and he hasn't provided any numbers to back up his claim. Odd, don't you think, considering he's all over the media with figures and percentages for pilot pay, including breaking down the top 200 pilot's salaries into groups. Why wouldn't he say that the pilot sickness has increased by X amount over the norm if it was true? Because it's BS.

It’s a legal requirement to have enough resources to cover your schedule as part of your AOC. That for non aviation folk is your license to operate.

I don’t believe Aer lingus have the resources and are using the “pilot sick” card to mask the deficiencies.

An IAA audit would soon determine who is telling the truth and who isn’t.

One really has to question how so many flights are cancelled for pilots simply working their contracts.

Something amiss here.

It’s almost astonishing at this stage that the CEO, as the accountable manager is still absent. A position that commands a high seven figure package.

Can you imagine Christop Mulleur, Willie Walsh or Michael O Leary hiding in similar circumstances, whatever their position would be on it?

I believe it’s completely balanced and as suggested an IAA audit of the current resources would determine which side is telling the truth.

Willie Walsh was just interviewed on Morning Ireland.

When asked as an ex pilot would he take the pilots side here, he said no, because in all his time he has never seen a group looking for such a rise.

He's full of sh!t that fella

United Airlines and its pilots’ union have agreed to a preliminary labor deal that includes pay increases of as much as 40.2% over four years, ending months of tense negotiations and airport pickets. The deal makes United’s aviators the latest from a major airline to reach an agreement for higher wages amid the post-pandemic travel boom.

Now in essence, what the EI pilots are looking for with this 23% pay rise, is retrospective going back to 2019 when they last received a pay increase. I know their scale is incremental, but that is industry standards, seperate to annual pay review other airlines receive.

They aren't even talking to each other. I would forget about this weekend.

They seem miles apart anyway and seems to be very little goodwill about.

Exactly. Unfortunately this "exorbitant" pay rise is as a result of AL refusing to or dragging out negotiations for the last 2 years, and not entering into discussions in the last 5 years. If I hadn't gotten a bump up in my salary levels in that time (I am also in a profession where we have increments), you can be sure as hell I wouldn't be hanging around the place.