Aer Lingus Flight Crew Industrial relations thread 2024

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Interesting scaremongering from Moriarty that flights may get cancelled at the departure gate. As a company, they are doing everything to scare customers rather than trying to reassure. Strange tactic and unsure how it helps the situation.

They don't have spare planes so must be cancelling other flights to put those flights on.

Strange tactic from management. The travelling public are only collateral damage, whether they are on the side of pilots or management is completely irrelevant. Having the public on "your side" whichever that may be won't cause the other to compromise any faster.

The only time public opinion plays a real role in industrial relations is when the dispute is with the State and thus impacts the government's popularity.

not if you’ve a ei flight originally

A seat sale tends to be good at erasing memories.

One only has to look at all the **** they've pulled over the years and their planes are still packed.

I do believe the trainee pilots deserve a good Rise,those on sub 40k basic

But the guys on north of 100k should take the 12.5%

The lads north of 200k or 300k are just being selfish probably including that IALPA boss with the smug smile ?

So ei will allow you to change your flight to a later date free of charge. Why not allow you move earlier for same.

Pilots are in the same boat as ATCOs regarding illness. It is illegal for us to show up to work knowingly unwell with anything that could affect performance of our duties. If you do so and make a mistake, all the consequences are on the licence holder, not the employer.

I’m taking it that a senior management would not say this on the airwaves as to rebut it should be quite easy.

I’m aware that ‘fatigue’ is different but it happens, not often but it does.

“Sufficient resources should be in place……” Would that it was that simple , especially in a rather bitter dispute, in an operational heavy industry at peak period traffic.

Lot of broad brush comment here . I’m sure Ei would be compliant in that respect but circumstances might

throw up pinch points, as in any operational industry.

If I doubt if EI would use a “pilot sick” card in this respect as stats would be easily available

to indicate yes or no on this issue.

Bit of balance required here I feel.

Is it still 7 days notice if the pilots add another strike day?

I think it needs to be mentioned that any pay deal will be structured over a number of years which is the norm in aviation, so when broken down it’s not much different to what the average office worker would get annually! The average payrise in Ireland per annum is around 4%.

Where is the CEO? I’ve yet to see or hear her being interviewed anywhere. Making any statements?

Is this not the precise time to be out battling for the management team?

Sometimes it's triple or quadruple. The average surgeons salary in the US I think is at least triple what it is here.

Notwithstanding the lack of public services and the expense of healthcare insurance, the US seems to value highly trained professionals much more highly than here.

Do you have any stats on the sick leave issue referred to by EI mgt?

I can do without a lecture stating the obvious.You are trying to crowbar stuff into this discourse which wasn't implied.

What makes you mistakenly assume that I have a problem with EI pilots?

My posts are based on what I hear on mainstream media by reputable sources, not anonymous folk on social media.

If you heard W Walsh this morning on RTE radio he implied and I paraphrase "Are Lingus are the lowest performing

unit in the IAG group and were Are Lingus to give the pilots what they are looking for would be a serious detrimental move for the airline .

Its strange that some folk here find someone that maybe take a different slant on things can be treated with such suspicion.

Very strange.

An astute post. As a rule, the people that the media bring on as "experts" are those that they have on a list of commentators; if they can opine on a range of issues, so much the better. Actual deep subject-matter expertise is often absent and, for the most part, actual impartial experts are not brought on. It is one of the noteworthy developments in the media, especially in the last decade or so, and is rarely the subject of discussion.