Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Blade and Casey are going. Cooney is not as good as Murray and is almost as old, there’s no argument to bring him.

So, no one?

Tbf JGP has screwed up plenty. You could lay a large part of the QF loss on his shoulders, as well Leinster's loss last year. I don't think you should select a player based on the idea they'll make less mistakes, I'd rather take the guy who's more likely to do something positive.

Putting aside debates over their abilities, POM, Murray and Healy should have been moved on from based on their age alone. I don't believe we're that lacking in leadership that the potential benefits from these players is worth taking them over younger guys.

There are three different screenshots, only one from RTE

Stop digging

I don’t think Cooney is on the same level at all, but it’s pointless dropping a 35 year old and replacing him with a 34 year old who doesn’t even bring test level experience to the table and as you say, is a very difficult character to manage.

Rating Blade, Cooney, and a (admittedly promising looking) kid who has played 160 minutes of senior rugby ahead of Murray is one of the most hilarious things I've read on this forum. Blade was actively handicapping Connacht this year and at the end of last year - he's only there because JGP dropped out. Cooney can't defend nearly as well as Murray (probably not a great idea to have a poor tackler against the Saffas if possible), is just as old from a developmental POV, and wouldn't be rated nearly as highly as he is if he wasn't a goal kicker.

The idea that Murray has been finished since the World Cup BEFORE LAST but just so happens to keep getting selected is also hysterically funny.

those are 2 examples of personality issues.

Sa will have atleast 5 players with under 10 caps

think he means players in the starting XV

Roos,evdm,maybe fassi,ben Jason maybe, but will hopefully soon find out more

https://www.springboks.rugby/news-features/articles/2024/06/25/erasmus-names-strong-squad-for-castle-lager-incoming-series/

RG Snyman (Munster/Leinster) Erasmus oozes class.

Ireland are going to get comfortably beaten in the First Test.

It wont be a 33-0 mauling (20 June 1998 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria) but I could see SA winning by 15 or more.

"What he did was unacceptable," fired the angry Springbok coach Nick Mallett, "and I think he should have walked. In fact, it's just as well that the punch hit the back of our flanker Johan Erasmus' head beforehand, otherwise it would have taken Gary's head off."

I wish Woody had completely missed Teichmann…………………… and connected elsewhere.

1998 Tour

Trouble had been sign-posted from the first test in Bloemfontein. Manager Donal Lenihan had to persuade officials to open the gates to let the Irish coach pass into the ground.

Their dressing-room was so cramped, the replacements and tackle bags had to be moved into a separate room, as well as habitual pre-match puffers Peter Clohessy and Rob Henderson.

Ireland lost 37-13 (Stefan Terblanche scoring four tries on luckless Denis Hickie's wing); yet the match was more memorable for the actions of Keith Wood, who had launched his best haymaker at the head of South African captain Gary Teichmann.

"What he did was unacceptable," fired the angry Springbok coach Nick Mallett, "and I think he should have walked. In fact, it's just as well that the punch hit the back of our flanker Johan Erasmus' head beforehand, otherwise it would have taken Gary's head off."

Wood apologised, but privately both camps were steaming. Paddy Johns, the normally mild-mannered captain off the field, declared that he was willing to put his body on the line. "Tomorrow, I know I can rest," he intoned.

Warren Gatland had a warning for any South African players who tried to slow down Irish ball: "We will deal with them in our own way." The gauntlet had been flung with ferocity.

Trevor Brennan, who was still on a high after winning his first Irish cap in the first test, watched the surreal proceedings unfold from his position on the bench, and recalls vividly the moment he knew that all hell was going to break loose.

"It was when their scrum-half (Joost van der Westhuizen) kicked Malcolm O'Kelly after about 10 minutes," recalled Brennan this week, as he launched his eponymous rugby tours company. In fact, it had all kicked off even earlier than that.

Franco Smith (Springbok swap - Nienaber & RGS for Smith please), now Treviso coach, would pull the strings at out-half all day and he should have helped the side into an early lead; however, his thrilling break and pass to Johannes Erasmus was pulled back as prop Adrian Garvey had launched the first of the day's punches earlier in the move.

Johns subsequently lamped Teichmann at an early line-out. Then came van der Westhuizen's cynical, cowardly kick on O'Kelly as the Dubliner got trapped on the wrong side of a ruck.

"I'll never forget it," said Brennan. "Malcolm got a kick, in the same way you'd see a fella taking a penalty in the All-Ireland final."

Astonishingly, the French referee Joel Dume didn't send him off and van der Westhuizen would subsequently open the scoring.

Tempers frayed again when Victor Costello was cautioned for a fracas with the notorious hooker, James 'Bullet' Dalton, who somehow emerged from the proceedings without caution. His opposite number, Wood, was heavily targeted all afternoon.

Full-back Percy Montgomery had a score disallowed for a forward pass before Rassie Erasmus and Dalton added further tries before half-time. But the shimmering threat of violence was rarely far away.

Minutes after the break, Teichmann was penalised for reacting to Irish scrum-half Conor McGuinness pulling on his jersey; then South African lock Krynauw Otto was binned when he traded blows with Johns, who was lucky to escape sanction.

By this time, the scene was anarchic, with fist fights breaking out arbitrarily. Ireland introduced Brennan and Clohessy. It was like pouring petrol on fire. "Myself and Peter, wha," Brennan laughs. "Two gentler guys you couldn't meet, arriving into the middle of all this.

"By the time myself and Claw came on there were about 12 fights going on about the place. Then Mark Andrews and Paddy Johns started fighting just as I walked on. For once in my life I was the peacemaker!

"This wasn't your normal just three or four in the pack having a few boxes off each other, it was one-in all-in. It was like a 99 call (Willie John McBride's notoriously unambiguous call to violence on the 1974 Lions tour to South Africa).

"Not that we had a call or anything like that. I remember you could hear the whistle being blown, but the referee was being completely ignored, whether you turned right or left, you could see fellas fighting.

"We wanted to put up a bit of a show, front up and show some pride. Both teams wanted to play rugby, but when those things start happening, you have to get in and stick up for each other."

Teichmann crashed over from a loose ball close to the line for his side's fourth try before Pieter Rossouw ran in from 40 metres out to round off a humiliating afternoon on the scoreboard, to which the gleeful captain pointed repeatedly in the game's dying embers. "We were trying to play the rugby, while their only interest was in preventing us from playing," moaned Mallett in the aftermath of the game.

Unsurprisingly, the Springboks refused to offer any hospitality to the visitors after the match, an eerie echo of events this past summer, when this time the Lions refused an invitation to break bread with their opponents after any of the three tests.

"The South Africans never mixed at all, a bit like the Lions this year," remembers Brennan.

"They stood up at one end of the hall, we were down the other end of the hall. At no stage did any of the players talk to the opposition."

The irrepressible Wood led his players towards the podium and sang the squad anthem, 'From Clare to Here,' paying special attention to an extremely apt verse: "And the only time I feel alright is when I'm into drinking, It sort of eases the pain of it and levels out my thinking."

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/who-fears-to-speak-of-summer-98/26586468.html

That looks like a stacked squad, are there any significant players missing?
Kitshoff, Moodie, Willemse, De Jager, anyone else?
Think those players are well-covered anyway, so their squad not really dropping in quality.

But Leo swears by it! Every bloody season. 😡

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