Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

It seems that some posters aren't aware of the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It is blind faith and being fooled by Sinn Fein.

They claim to have been fooled by manifestos and costings by FF and FG for 50 years before swapping at the last election to vote for Sinn Fein, yet they accept that Sinn Fein have no policies or costings. They are being fooled for the second time.

I would love to have a discussion on Sinn Fein policies and whether they are compatible with other parties, but finding an example of a Sinn Fein policy is like going after a needle in a haystack.

Who accepted that SF had no costings or policies?

They do, you just don't agree with them but can manage to turn a blind eye as costings and policies go out the window in government.

How many Housing Plans have we now gathering dust? How many attempts to fix Health? How about one infrastructure project - the Childrens Hospital? How about their oversight of RTE? etc etc

P.S. I never read the FG manifesto on 'New Politics' - I listened to what their leader Enda Kenny and others 'said' about what they wanted and to their promises - they failed to deliver and I believe now it was a conscious effort to fool the electorate and to take advantage of their despondency.
I have no problem saying I got fooled by that rhetoric. It won't happen again, SF or any other party get a chance, fail to deliver and that chance is gone. That's all I can do with my vote.

So if the budget is a total balls up it wil the civil servants fault 😂

The excuse factory in SF is long and winding to come up for their incompetence. I had to laugh last year when they started making excuses for why they would achieve nothing in government when they hadn't even been elected yet, it "will take two terms" nonsense coming out online

The online mob lapping it up of course 🤣 baffling

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/global-report-document/hdr2023-24reporten.pdf

From 2015 to 2022, Ireland has gone up EIGHT places to seventh in the Human Development Index.

Pretty good going I would think. Second-highest increase in the top 40.

Wait for the hand waving now

The real question though for this thread, and there is still not a single answer, is what are Sinn Fein going to do to make things better, other than "change".

If you refuse to see that no amount of looking over there is going to take attention away from the repeated failures here, then it is no surprise you don't want to move past what is an election slogan in the mould of many election slogans used here.

Like slogans themselves, your obsession with it is trite and cheap. Here's a few from the recent past, you can amuse yourself some more matching them to the party of origin:
‘A Future to Look Forward To’

‘An Ireland for all’

 “A Better Deal For Families”

 ‘Let’s Keep the Recovery Going’ 

I would dispute that, but even if true, the 'change' one won't be proven until that change takes place.

Fair's fair, no?

…err emm no there not, we re clearly still in serious trouble regarding major issues such as housing and health care, and these issues wont be solved after the next government, which is clearly gonna be ffg, and possibly indefinitely to, so ffg supporters have little or nothing to be worrying about….

"change" 😂 was it the Labour TD at the start of the last government who made a joke about how many times SF said "change" in their speech. They should have dumped it then but kept it going

As you say Change to what? when they dont know what the answer is then it's a bit pointless.

"We want change"

"Change to what"

"We don't know"

I suppose people able to get a good education, get a job, buy a house, raise a family in Ireland etc is a terrible thing to be able to do, so we want to change back to the good old days when everyone left Ireland

Well, actually my stated goal is somebody other than FF or FG leading a government.
SF represent the best chance of that change happening.
It is my view that despite the pearl clutching denials, they have forced seismic change already - forcing a tacit merger (for a term of government) of the two. Change in the fact that the FF/FG vote share continues to fall.

We will see if they can force more change in the next GE, or the one after or the one after that. I would also remind you that I have never viewed the work of an opposition as redundant or lacking in the ability to change how a government behaves. Even if not in government that change can continue.

They have rearranged the deckchairs on a ship, no more than that. Whether the ship is on course, going to sink, Sinn Fein have had zero effect on the direction of the ship.

That is just party political delusion tbh.
Are you telling us FF and FG would have coalesced had SF not been there snapping at their heels?

That's laughable and not worthy of being remotely credible.

That day was the day of the election when Micheal opened the door.
More delusion to pretend that didn't happen and that SF were 'toxic'.

It was nonsense then and now.

SF being lead party was 'toxic' to Micheal's Taoiseach ambitions.

Are you saying FF'er's like SF more than they do FG? Now that would be wrong imho

I would agree though that Martin would have been open to an SF marriage if the Soc dems and labour and pbp went in…but you can bet your bottom dollar that while all the public posturing was going on,FF and FG were quietly contemplating their inevitable match as the only stable reliable option in town

Unfortunately that FF ship seems to have sailed now anyway unless SF polling markedly improves,failing that its going to be 2 elections before romance blossoms for SF on the coalition front,2029 perhaps ?

A lot of water to flow before then

I never disagreed that it was them togerher or another election

Its such a pity SF didn't go about the job of making themselves more electable decades prior to this

As for whether FF and SF will come together,the SF numbers will have to improve markedly,which they will

They're there now and a credible option in the cycle

Seems you don't know how an election works

It has nothing to do with FF why they didn't get into government, running around hand waving, although very amusing, is complete nonsense

One of the major reasons they didn't get in was because of……you guessed it……incompetence