Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Ha ha haaaaaa….you are easily fooled. So, natural immunity only kicked in for Omnicron….do go on…what's the science behind that then?

What are you on about?? The beginning of the pandemic, Omnicron ended the restrictions in this country!!

I know what mild means, I'm not going to get into a ridiculous argument….the doctor who discovered the new variant told us it was mild….you have provided evidence that Omnicron was mild….do you realize that?

Now, tell us about the natural immunity? Was there any natural immunity in the population after the first wave?

Why are you arguing with me, we are in agreement. Omnicron was mild.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-patients-with-omicron-variant-have-very-mild-symptoms-2021-11-28/

You are claiming the BBC and Reuters, and breaking news ( https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/uk-panicking-unnecessarily-over-omicron-doctor-who-found-variant-says-1220267.html ) of peddling fake news…I will include a quote -

“What we are seeing clinically in South Africa, and remember I’m at the epicentre – that’s where I’m practising – it’s extremely mild. For us, that’s mild cases,” she said.

Asked on the BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show if the UK was “panicking unnecessarily”, she said: “I think you already have it there in your country and you’re not knowing it, and I would say, yes, at this stage I would say definitely.

Bear in mind we were imposing much heavier restrictions than SA or Britain and we had the highest rate of vaccination than both…but at the time, you couldn't get a coffee in a cafe without proving proof of vaccination.

You are accusing me of peddling fake news and yet you agree with the articles and me…you just seem to have a dogmatic view on the meaning of mild. Bizarre stuff!!

Yep you are repeatedly peddling fake news about covid.

Did you read the full article you posted. This is what it also says:

"Two weeks from now maybe we will say something different.”

And from the interview with Andrew Marr:

Dr Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, says the patients seen so far have had "extremely mild symptoms" - but more time is needed before we know the seriousness of the disease for vulnerable people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-59450988

So nowhere does it state without qualification that it will be mild. Thats a response to a small number of cases seen, mostly younger people. It is not in any way a full assessment of the variant and the BBC article makes that clear.

The doctor thinks restrictions are premature but equally public health bodies looked at that and reasonably concluded in two weeks it would be too late to have restrictions. It would be closing the stable door after horse bolted. Precautionary principle.

The article also says, information from South Africa:

Asked if young unvaccinated people are ending up in hospital with the new variant in South Africa, Dr Phaahla said: “Yes. Younger, unvaccinated people … 65 per cent of those they’ve admitted, who are mainly younger people, are actually those who are unvaccinated.”

So there we have it from another source, on the benefits of vaccination even for younger people, even versus Omicron. Even in South Africa.

I know. I get it. And I agree. I also provided links that said the same thing - milder but not mild.

I just don't like people being rude. It's worse than Covid.

Is there a very particular reason for the N95 and Socially Distancing still?

That's a major inconvenience.

I've caught Covid twice, the first lasted a few days, mainly just tiredness, and the second was a day of a cough, but it was around Christmas. The only reason I even tested was because a few of my friends/girlfriends were pregnant and I didn't want to be in close quarters with them.

All in, I'd take having Covid twice as opposed to an N95 and social distancing forever more.

Again you are basing your whole argument on an interview with a single doctor in November 2021, here is what a study published in June 2023, when more data was available, actually said:

The study concluded that the newer strains of SARS-CoV-2 have potential of high transmissibility and milder disease for the population by large, however, for patients with comorbidities have a higher proportion of adverse outcomes, irrespective of the variant.

You can take your point in time, misinterpretation of a single interview, or you could look at the measured studies.

Oh and by the way, it is pathetic trying to make an argument by saying I said something I did not. You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

OK, sorry to misrepresent you, you believe Omnicron was much more severe than I do. Let's knock this on the head, it's bloody boring!

From https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(24)00018-3/fulltext

“There were variations in the CFRs among different variants of COVID-19 (Alpha: 2.62%, Beta: 4.19%, Gamma: 3.60%, Delta: 2.01%, Omicron: 0.70%), …”

it would appear that Omicron was 3x and 6x less deadly than Delta and Beta, respectively. At the same time it was probably 2x more deadly than a regular influenza.

“Studies found that the Omicron variant was more prone to reinfect individuals with a prior natural infection, suggesting a diminished immune response after infection or vaccination [22]. Additionally, omicron's severity was believed to be lower due to reduced syncytia formation and lower multiplication in human lung tissue [23].”

This would be in line with what I remember - lots of people had Omicron yet the hospitals were far from being under pressure.

According to those figures Omicron was certainly the mildest of all strains on record thus far.

I think you misunderstood my post or are replying to someone else .

Of course that's not what I said .

I was replying to your first few lines which said GPs did not get the shots themselves ....

Replying to @ Frumy who I see is now threadbanned so edited my post ..and quotation not working again .

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No excuses/deflection. Just don't be rude or arrogant when making a point. Please apologise to the poster for the "learn to read" quip.

Stop waffling. I made all these points days ago. Behave yourself ya pup and apologise for being rude.

Was avoiding this thread but lo and behold thus type of post ...

Been explained before , that people who are immunosuppressed are at increased risk of infection despite vaccination , and while maybe less risk of death , could become very ill on top of say , cancer or renal disease or severe respiratory disease or diabetes ....

So with so many people not even considering Covid now or testing ,people who fall into these categories are still at risk. And more so as the people they are interacting with may not be aware they might have it .

Don't know if that applies to the poster you are asking the question of , but it is really nobody 's business why another person wears a mask or takes care of themselves and a bit ignorant to imply it is due to mental health issues , just because you cannot imagine why another person would need to" take care " .

I am 100% serious too btw .