Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

He's listed at that weight.

i have another counterpoint.

Rugby coaches value potential top end impact in knockout games more than people on messageboards.

And?

He's very clearly not that weight as he's heavier and lleinster profiles have been known for being slow to be updated

I don't remember you sniping with the same sort of comments as this when it was claimed and universally accepted that Snyman's second deal with Munster was at a discount rate than the original.

The exact same logic of the 'normal economics of rugby' that led to people accepting Munster paid less for him stands now when it comes to Leinster, with Snyman having picked up an even longer list of serious injuries since his last deal.

Only thing that has changed is the name of the province involved, which is clearly more than enough for some with an 'obsession' to start whining about it because it involves Leinster.

Love that despite another trophyless season, Leinster and their fans still live rent free in so many heads.

To be fair to UlsterU20s, while I disapprove of the tone of his post, I'd agree with his overall point that there is this weird tendency for folks on here (I wouldn't go as far as saying "the media" too like UU20s) to downplay salaries. It's probably a bit of defensiveness from the whole "Leinster salaries" discussions from before, but its still a bit odd.

Lets not kid ourselves, Snyman and Barrett are on serious packages. We had somebody claim earlier that Leinster did not spend a fortune on Barrett, which is nonsense. He's on less than he would've made in Japan (which would've been seven figures), that much has been reported - but lets not joke around and say that he isn't on a hefty wage. He's definitely on a mid-six figures salary (the financial brunt of which is mitigated by the fact that he's only here for half a season, so is effectively getting half a year's salary, but I'd still be surprised if it wasn't a decent big bigger than what Ngatai was on).

The same with Snyman - he's a World Cup winner and a freak athlete. He knows his value, he isn't going to take cents on the euro to stay and play with Leinster. If he wants to stay in Ireland - fair - but his agent isn't a fool, he's still going to get a deal which is best for RG. That I imagine would easily clear 250/300k for the season. I don't doubt he's on less than his supplemented Munster wage due to his injuries, but again lets not underplay the financials of this.

Additionally, while I understand RugbyPass is hit and miss at the best of times (see "Deegan to Ulster" from earlier in the year), you can't exactly ignore newspaper sources just because you don't like the implication of them being right. Is it 100% accurate? Unlikely. Is it in the ballpark? Potentially. That's as much as I'd read into any reported salary from any source to be perfectly honest, a rough guideline.

Presuming the media source isnt just making up a given rumour, when you see one you have to consider who gains from that information to be leaked.

When the Snyman to Bath/Stormers rumour went out, the only people to gain from it was Snyman and his agent.

They are hardly going to throw out numbers that hurt their bargaining position and given that there is no transparency for rugby salaries, there is absolutely nothing for them to lose.

He won two world cups as part of their heavy bench impact and all the teams rumoured to be interested in him have strong connections to south african rugby. Of course you'd believe he would potentially have high end impact. He's done it on the highest possible stage.

You are delusional.

I'm getting dev toner vibes from Clarkson.

A player that stuck in there and just got better and better.

Really thought he made strides this year.

Not every player comes on the scene fully formed.

I agree I think he made real progress this year.

Nah I don't believe the nonsense reported in the press. You seem to believe anything reported once it is negative towards Leinster and good for you on that front

Snyman is getting paid what he is getting paid, most of the commentary I have seen about both signing is not coming from Leinster or their supporters, but from outside

Case in point is the young NZ lad, that came from NZ and not Leinster

Snyman had left Munster, he was free to go to whoever he wanted, he decided to go to Leinster, hopefully it works out for everyone

Your comment was Bath, who seemingly had 500k UKP to spend on Snyman, then when he rejected them they went from a WC winning second row to signing a squad player from Leinster who you would have to expect is on a lot less than 500k UKP

Anyway I doubt it is fair enough,

I meant fair enough you don't trust any press reports. That's fine.

Are you asking me if snyman is worth 450k sterling? Yes.

He's 6'9, an elite power carrier, one of the best offloaders in the world, a massive asset in the lineout, in mauls and a good scrummager.

Yes, he is worth a lot of money even with his injury history. Those are credible numbers.

Why are you calling him a "young NZ lad"? He's a 27-year-old first choice All Black and probably one of the best inside centres in the game. He's not just coming off U20 rugby and yet to prove himself in top flight rugby or something.

It was a little joke, more to myself

Just having a bit of fun because of the reaction when he signed