Why are the government intent on forcing through the EU Migration Pact?

You don't want to listen to what this establishment state is literally lying about? I don't blame you. Look podge its there, look for the segment where she interviews Varadkar, y'know the former Taoiseach who now wants to give his uncensored two cents about everything? Or don't, I don't give a $hit. But don't be coming on here claiming I'm the liar when the establishment, former Taoiseach's are saying the same thing, as is your claim, and then try to claim I'm the untrustworthy bastard. I'm just telling you exactly what your precious far right establishment is saying and misinforming the nation with. But you don't care.

You'd wonder what's the point of having a government anymore. They just continue to give away responsibility to the EU and have no interest in actually leading. They're just to follow and bend the knee to the EU

I am shocked at how close it was to be honest.

I thought it was only a handful of far right loons were against immigration.

They hardly had that many representatives voting.

Have you examples to share?

Will be interesting to compare when it comes out who voted which way.

I think it is because we are weak politically in Europe. I think the main point of our weakness is our tax and incentive policy towards multinationals and inward investment which some in the EU would like to see put an end to. Therefore we need to always be the "good Europeans" when it comes to other areas.

Labours Aodhan O'Riordan said the below during a previous debate.

The Labour Party finds it very difficult to support the EU migration pact on the basis of the undermining of the basic ability of individuals to claim asylum and the fact that this has come from the more right-wing viewpoint within the European Union.

Yep and whoes to say they wont pull the plug on that too either way

They don't have the competence. Taxation (other than VAT) is a member state responsibility; giving the Commission power to override national laws on taxation would require a Treaty amendment, which would require unanimity among all member States, including Ireland, and would also require a referendum in Ireland.

Largely correct but point 6 should be:

6. The Irish government nominates a candidate for the role of Commissioner.

The incoming President of the European Commission is the person who then chooses which specific portfolio (eg transport) the candidates are proposed for to the European Parliament.

There is no guarantee that any candidate will succeed. They have to go through an extensive hearing / "grilling" by a European Parliament committee to secure the committee's approval and then, if successful, be elected to office by a full session of the European Parliament (together with their fellow candidates for the roles of Commissioners). Only, after all that, do the Commissioners get formally appointed to office by the European Council (the heads of government of the member states).

Also, the candidate cannot be "our" Commissioner. They are required by oath of office to act impartially for obvious reasons.

We weren't given a say in a very important piece of legislation.

The argument was made in response to what I said was essentially "we voted for these guys to make decisions on our behalf so suck it up"

You have a very bizzare view of democracy if you think that this is a sign of democracy working well.

There wasn't even a debate in the Dáil about this legislation despite it being very clear that immigration is an important topic in Ireland.

I understand perfectly well that every government don't start with a blank slate but this was pushed through as quick as possible with the current regime in case the government doesn't get a majority next time round.Fact isn a long term decision has been made by people who aren't going to be around for the long term and therefore they don;t really have the mandate for making this decision.

Our politicians clearly don't work for the people any more in any way , the just do whatever the EU tells them to do and ignore the people of Ireland.

We get progressive brownie points.

Other than that we just have to pay massive fines and keep buying tents for any chancer who decides to have a crack at a life of free everything in Ireland.

I remember someone in the dail saying something like if the pact was passed we would be looking at taking 30,000 people in. And if not get fined 20k each for a total cost of 600 million.

Considering it's costing us in the billions at the moment. Surely any person with a brain cell would continue to allow migrants who come legally and who contribute and just say no to the people coming to abuse the system and take the 600million fine. That's saving money and not letting illegals in.

But would that 30,000 be on top of everyone who makes it here and claims asylum?

I must read the entire thing.

In the real world pro migration groups such as Amnesty and others are against this pact as they see as removing the rights of migrants, making it more difficult for the to get asylum, making the more likely to be deported sooner, making them more likely to be returned to first country quickly.

No one on this thread has articulated anything other that "EU bad" as a reason the not ratify this pact. We do however know that if wont don't ratify it, and asylum seekers who believe they might get rejected elsewhere in the EU decide to turn up at Dublin airport we will have no mechanism to return them. We also know the it provide the option to support the processing of migrants locally in the likes of Greece and Italy in lieu of accepting additional migrants. From what I have heard I am finding it strange that its the anti immigration lobby that's so dead set against this pact. Seems like its more a step towards what they want