USA 2024 presidential election

Would you have said people needed to accept Russia invading Ukraine and to just deal with it? We've seen what indifference in face of slaughter brings. The genocide in Rwanda, massacres in Bosnia, the mass deaths in Sudan and Yemen. It's not good enough to twiddle thumbs when people are being wiped out, much less so when ones government is actively arming those carrying out the atrocities.

Biden continuing to blindly support Israel does nothing but harm him politically. AIPAC is staunchly in the Republican corner, they want Trump elected so Israel will have carte blanche to finish wiping out the Palestinians.

That advantage has now gone, and Trump is ahead.

He gets lots of small donations but the big 7 figure donations the Democrat campaign rely on are not shelling out like they did in 2020.

That might not be enough to overcome the incumbent advantage but it shows that their is a strong momentum for Trump and Biden or his team need to take the campaign seriously .

I'm not confused, but thanks for the condescension. My point is that Biden is risking his reelection by continuing to back Israel. As folks like to point out here, Trump would be exponentially worse for everyone, Palestinians especially. Biden's choice to continue to ignore public sentiment among Arab and young voters is baffling, given the pro Israel demographic would skew heavily Republican.

AIPAC would be heavily pro Republican I think, and the number of Jewish voters would be quite a bit smaller than Arab and young voters

They won't turn out either way.

Biden is going to destroy Trump in the debate tonight. Trump will not have his audience who he gets his energy from or be able to should over Biden so it woukd not surprise me if Trump got bored and walked off crying.

Trump and his acolytes are already trying to make excuses for Biden not behaving like a cadaver by explicitly stating that he'll be on performance enhancing drugs of some kind.

Even though the mics will be switched off I'm sure that Trump will still likely be trying to shout over Biden in the studio. His fragile ego would make it so that he couldn't stand there and listen to any criticism. Hopefully it won't put Biden off too much.

Maybe he could quickly don ear mufflers when T's mic is muted?

Desperate night for Biden, if substance mattered to more than 12 people watching it would have been fine especially as Trump was delivering BS answers galore, but ultimately all people will be talking about how old and frail Biden seemed unfortunately.

I expect a lot of swing state Dems and donors are absolutely freaking out right now .

Trump may not even bother with another debate because why would he need to if Biden is not replaced?

Regarding replacements, ugh.

It won't be pleasant despite what they say in public, the likes of Harris, Newsom and to a lesser extent Whitmer will be having some very interesting conversations in the morning.

Point was made on one of the shows afterwards, that this is the earliest debate ever. Happening before the nominating conventions. I think serious discussion is going to be happening for the Democrats tonight about replacing Biden. There's still enough time before November to get someone else in (not Harris), who could beat Trump.

The optics of stepping over Harris for someone like Newsom or Whitmer is a major concern for them I think.

I used to think it was just right wing loons betting on Michelle, but her replacing Biden ensures that's not an issue although obviously easier said than done. I suspect Barack like most Dem power hitters is still aghast after that performance.

As I confidently predicted in the other thread a really bad night for Biden. He is old and visibly frail and not up to it. Everyone can see it.

People will say "oh, you're ageist". It has nothing to do with that.

There was no one watching that back who is going to think any differently that the Democrats shouldn't have gone with a much younger candidate.

Some Dem supporters will remain in denial because they have to and hate Trump so much.

It doesn't change the facts.

Trump handed a victory.