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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    there have been about a decades worth or reports and discussion on this project.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That would be a devastating policy for any small country such as ours with one hub airport. It's scale at one location that opens up more destinations and economies of scale, We are not Germany, we have one medium sized city and airport, diluting that into pissy regional airports near large towns would limit us to a few regional flights to the UK and northern France. The Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, Iceland etc. all follow this model because they're not stupid, they know they are not Germany, France or the UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Bards


    You can't keep expanding Dublin pax without adding necessary infrastructure such as heavy rail direct from the regional cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford.. Metro North is not the solution for the regions.. Dublín airport is physically located in the wrong place to service the country as it is north of the city without heavy rail access.. We all know that the M50 is like a car park during peak hours.

    Choices are in order of preference

    1.)Spend on heavy rail (Hourly departures from Regional cities) with spur from Heuston to Dublin Airport and use existing airport in Dublin to cater for growing population.. This is what advanced economies do

    2.)Open new airport near kilcullen / Kikdare where m7 (M8) /m9 merge with heavy rail access servicing most of the population centers in the country

    3.) Invest in regional airports



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    So number 1 is obviously the best, and only option. Metrolink is a local commuter service. The airport does also need an intercity rail connection but in the absence of that metrolink will fulfill that role somewhat.

    Building a new airport would be a disaster from the get go and would amount to money squandering for the sake of money squandering.

    We already invest in regional airports, nevertheless they are all operating well below their capacity due to lack of demand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Amazing that we have to constantly fight the argument for balanced regional development. It’s not going to be an international airport on the scale of Heathrow. It will give our region connectivity to UK/Europe that we currently don’t have but all other regions in the country do. How is that fair?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes exactly this, there's no need for people to wax lyrical about a new airport or the wild anti Dublin rhetoric. The topic is a question of should the state invest in reopening a closed regional airport, nothing more.

    The main project risk is: no airline will use it. And the potential gain is having a functional airport for the city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,873 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The airport isn't closed, just no airlines want to use it. As you say there is no guarantee an extension will change that.

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33 dan575283578


    There isnt, but ryanair would likely fly from there to stop another airline from doing so



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,415 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …im not convinced of this at all, ryanair would just use it to continue with its games, and may not even turn up, be very wary of micky and his mates…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    From day 1, the location of Waterford Airport between Cork and Dublin, meant that only a jet length runway could be competitive. Had it originally had that advantage, Irish aviation history and Ryanair might be vastly different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Can't think of a full length civil runway in Ireland that a low cost carrier doesn't fly from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    not true

    you are applying perfect hindsight using modern aviation norms .

    now if the planners back in the 80' s had a crystal ball and built a "jet" capable runway it would be brilliant.

    but it was planned for and built for the "expected" operating types that that might use it. F27/50, Shorts 330/360, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    With respect, I think you are applying your own retrospective logic. It is a matter of fact that Ryanair started in Waterford, not in Dublin or Cork. Had Cork Airport had to stand alone and carry its own debt burden rather than transferring it to DAA balance sheet, who knows where that might have led? But of course the state rightly intervened for Cork.

    Waterford Airport was built by Waterford Corporation as a strategic regional investment with the very limited cash they had available at the time and some public subscriptions. Government was noticable by its absence. Knock Airport which was essentially built by the state around the same time, rightly demanded and built a jet runway. Conversation in Waterford from the very start, or at least very shortly afterwards, led by the late Nicky Fewer and Waterford Chamber of Commerce, centred around the provision of a Boeing 737 norm standard runway when point to point travel, rather than point to hub, became very obvious. The competitive deficiency was very quickly recognised before, but especially after BAe 146 aircraft came into use at the airport for a short time and the possibility of summer flights emerged. The cash to remedy the infrastructural deficiency was not available locally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭space2ground1


    ”Awash with cash” was the phrase used on morning Ireland in relation to the Finance Minister’s current pre election / pre budget situation.


    He wants to see progress on infrastructure.


    I think it’s disingenuous at the moment for any politician or unbiased observer to point away from an obvious plan to stifle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Taxburden carrier


    Awash with cash and spending it like a drunk at a wedding.

    We won’t be awash with it forever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,415 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …we have to stop thinking ireland is poorer than we actually are, this isnt the ireland of the 70's and 80's, we re in a radically different place now, we have to start spending on major projects, or we will return to the 70's and 80's, we will lose fdi if we dont do this, we clearly urgently need to sort out housing, transport infrastructure and other major needs….



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I'm amazed, I actually agree with your sensible post.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,415 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah shur when you re good, you re good, makes sense though, but disturbingly, our policy makers are stuck in this 70's/80's mentality….



  • Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    lads, I strongly feel it's going to going to be a repeat of the Euro's.

    All aspiring politicos will have the obligatory photo op and espousing fulsome support for the runway project.

    1 nanosecond after the results are in I fear it will the same old ding dong.

    Could be wrong, but doubt it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭space2ground1




  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Rustyman101


    Only deputy who asks a question, other 3 muppets just sit there and think of the 2 Ps

    Pension & Party.

    I really hope the electorate remember this when the GE rolls around.

    Doubt it,

    We will end up with the same butler & DC , MC is toast thankfully.

    Cummins or another SF drone for the 4th seat.

    It's the dishonesty why not just tell MS to forget about it and jog on.

    Na waffling b****** couldn't just be straight up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Absolutely agree, and before anyone says anything about concentrating on the issue ie the airport, It is obviously impossible to seperate politcis from our airport project. Mary Butler is a terrible TD and has wasted four years opportunity, Marc O'Cathasaigh is silent, John Cummins is desperate for Fine Gael, he simply seems unable to grasp what that party has done to Waterford, David Cullinane with 20,000 local votes has abused that vote for his party's sake by staying quiet. I was never more disappointed in anyone.

    Love him or hate him, Shanahan has laid it out for what it is and God its pretty awful.

    Harris, Martin and Ryan the axis of evil as far as Waterford is concerned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭Valhalla90


    That axis of evil comes from a Dublin/Cork only mentality. They aim to carve up the South East region.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭space2ground1


    Don’t give Waterford a university.. the Waterford students won’t come come to Cork or Dublin to study and subsequently stay to work.

    Don’t give Waterford an effective health care centre with the associated budget.. it’ll stop Waterford patients being treated in Cork/Dublin hospitals. (A family member with cancer was required to go to cork for initial diagnosis after screening and was only treated in Waterford when it was specifically requested. It was just expected they’d travel up and down for pre treatment, surgery and post treatment)


    Don’t give Waterford people an airport.. It’ll stop Waterford citizens from having to travel to Cork or Dublin airport.

    Our citizenship is being consumed as a means of nourishing other cities. Our entitlement to a reasonable proportion of state investment has been, from my vantage point, traded by many of our representatives over many years in favour of party and other city allegiances.



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Rustyman101


    Yet vast majority will still go and vote for the same ****wits ?

    Anyone explain that to me pls ?

    20k surplus and not a **** given about the people who voted for you.

    Incredulous....



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,873 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Do you actually think Dublin people want non-Dublin patients clogging up their hospitals even worse? That makes no sense at all.

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Do you really believe this or are you trolling? You think people sit down and think up ways to screw Waterford over?

    Let's assume you're serious, I would just like to quickly dismantle this delusional architecture before you let it really set into your life outlook:

    -Nobody in Dublin or Cork wants additional humans taking up hospital beds, university accommodation or airport carparking spaces. All these things are precious commodities in both Dublin and Cork.

    -Nobody has the time or inclination to conduct such a vast conspiracy. At best any infrastructural deficit in Waterford is quite simply a matter of negligence not design.

    -Dublin and Cork themselves have MASSIVE infrastructure deficits. Housing estates in Dublin are now experiencing power cuts, low water pressure, and near impossible travel conditions due to a century of bare-minimum infrastructure spending.

    -The DAA does not view Waterford Airport or indeed any Airport in Ireland as a serious competitor, they honestly wish the regional airports well, it makes their lives easier rationalising slots on regional flights so they can compete for long haul business. Dublin Airport is competing with Manchester, Amsterdam and the Scandanavians for long haul carriers, they aren't competing with any other Irish airport. But they are hobbled by the passenger cap.



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