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?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    either way it’s job done- a sexually harassed intern from 20 years ago, a lover spurned, a secret money deal - if a public representative has enemies looking to get even, it may not even take a paid team to find them - they might just walk up to a TV studio and start talking, having negotiated their rate via their lawyer in advance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    A few tweets:



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    If it's Newsom, expect it to be a party in the Republican party only slightly less than if it's Harris. Someone above suggested Whitmer, there is sense behind that as a Democrat leader in a swing state. See also Beshear, Kelly and Hobbs. The most electable democrats nationally don't seem to be getting much mass media attention: Obviously Democrats want to lean towards 'standard bearers', and Newsom's about the top of the list.

    Realistically, though, I think they'll stay with Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,374 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Yis can't say I didn't tell yis all this years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,472 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Old farts the pair of them.

    Hilarious seeing the left and right backing "their man".

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Don’t you have a judge to disparage or something 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,374 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Have a press conference organised for that later.

    boards.ie is where I connect with the real people. And also get all the ladies sending me nude PMs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    This is really the trump Vs Kamala Harris election. Harris's last chance to become president on a technicality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Biden is only a year younger than the combined age of our last two Taoiseach.

    It's crazy to think that in a climate where world leaders are getting younger (open to debate if its a good thing) that the superpower seem to adhere to the 'male, pale and stale' stereotype.

    Can't believe Biden is a US president though in his current state. Have seen ould lads like that throughout my life on their final lap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    OK, so let’s say it’s Biden / Trump- do you reckon they’ll wheel Harris out big time or keep her quiet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    One major benefit of the parliamentary system is that if a leader's position becomes untenable, they're quickly ousted.

    I don't follow US politics too closely. Does Kamala Harris deserve the amount of flak that's directed at her? Anthony Scaramucci on the "Rest is Politics" podcast said her unpopularity is mainly down to the perception that she was selected to check boxes rather than on merit, which is unfair on her and she's a lot better off camera than on.

    Not inconceivable that both Biden and Trump will fail to make it to polling day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,302 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    She must be highly capable given her past career but at campaigning and politics Kamala is a very poor performer.

    She certainly is VP for box ticking reasons. The VP usually is. More so in Harris's case, it was to appeal to the rich white progressive activist base as her support among black males in thr primary was woeful.

    Not much point in being a brilliant candidate if your campaigning and public speaking ability is so low



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,374 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    She's known over here in the US as "Simon's even more useless cousin"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The American people deserve nothing less than these two candidates. They've had ample opportunities over the last 5 years in primaries and elsewhere to select decent candidates yet gave both endorsements. So they need to take it on the chin.

    Trump is a complete fool. He's saying Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine. Trump was one of the first to say it was a smart move. That doesn't sound like strong opposition to the invasion.

    The Afghan fiasco was caused by Trumps deal with the Taliban. Biden should have tore up that deal. But both are equally to blame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭JVince


    No chance. The Obamas have no interest. She has made sure that there isn't even a "team" behind her. If Biden steps aside he will have to back Kamala Harris, but it is likely Newsome would win a run-off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Given his medical history (cerebral aneurysm etc.) and age Biden is high risk for dementia, probably vascular or mixed type. He's been showing signs of this for years, you don't have to be a medical professional to see it. Clear as day. He fluctuates but as he progresses, episodes and lapses get more frequent and can't be put down to fatigue etc. Now it has come to a head at the worst possible time (or best if the Democrats want to get rid of him) That debate wasn't a car crash, it was a train crash and it'll be replayed for decades.

    It is horrible to see someone going through that in the public eye. But what's absurd is the way that people on here were shouted down for pointing out that the sky is blue

    Compare how he is now to how he was as VP or especially as a senator in 1986 below. Hard to believe that this is the same person. Trump is a different kettle of fish, an arsehole and spoofer, always was but now far more robust and energetic than Biden. Trump looks like a heart attack waiting to happen and Biden may even outlive him but Trump also looks more like 30 years younger, not 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    There is no evidence Trump can bring the Ukraine-Russia war to a close, other than by Ukraine or Russia making huge concessions which neither will do.

    Trump asking Ukraine to give up even more of its territory will not in the long run appease Putin, who will in future continue to bite off more and more of Ukraine, as Hitler did in Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.

    Pulling funding from Ukraine would be a monumental mistake in the long run for the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    If you believe how Afghanistan happened was Trump's fault, you've been fed lies. The generals involved blame Biden.

    https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-kabul-milley-taliban-biden-620fd2ca8187389da38ddcf3f9466fbd

    The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.

    It's such an obvious and blatant case of blaming the guy before. Trump is not the reason people were falling off the sides of airplanes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    Scaramucci also said that knowing Trump, he would go out of his way not to have a "box-checking" VP. His reasoning being that everything always has to be about him and if he's to win, it is because of him and nobody else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Once Trump committed to leave Afghanistan which he clearly did, the die was cast. The deal was his, signed by him and a monumentally stupid one at that.

    It was then a case of managing a stupid decision and it was always going to end up how it did.

    Trump abandoned the Afghan people to their fate.

    But Biden should not have gone ahead with the deal, as it was obvious the Afghan army was a phantom army not prepared to fight. Mass panic and hastily organised evacuations were inevitable once the US decided to cut and run. Similar to Saigon 1975.

    Neither Trump or Biden can take any credit and it was the ultimate hospital pass from Trump to Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,302 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Taliban walked through Afghanistan because the American backed govt only had nominal control of Kabul.

    If the Afghani people wanted to they could have torn the Taliban apart, they didn't, the popularity of the Taliban should not be down played and much if the opposition to the Taliban were near enough to their thinking as to be the same.

    The withdrawal was a mess and by the nature of messes the people on the ground and the man at the top are held to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The withdrawal was a complete mess because of the decisions of US government at the time, not the one before. Have some respect for yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,374 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I think that video is a reminder to us all that you can never take your health for granted - one day you're flying and then 38 years later you're not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I wish he could give a speech like that about Netenyahu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Bill Clinton and Obama had no real national profile...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,979 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    A lot can change quickly and it looks like their is serious concern within the Democrats so a change might be worth the trouble ,it looks like Joe will lose to Trump but another would have some chance as their are enough votes to beat Trump out there .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,753 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A problem is that apart from ethical etc , there will always be numerous groups competing so they will never agree.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Ha ha- I had to laugh (in a nice way) at your comment around Harris being better off camera than on - reminded me of the Back to the Future quote by Doc in 1955 when told Ronald Reagan was president- “of course, they’ll have to look good on television” 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,296 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    wonder will the dems invoke 25th amendment to remove biden from office?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I daresay they'd need medical evidence 😂🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    totally - I think overall he’s a “good person”- but seriously, let’s call it a day now- you’ve more than done your duty.

    As for Trump, much as I hate to say it, whilst we knew he’d spew a bunch of lies and half truths (what president doesn’t in election year) , he was well advised and remained calm overall - that then put some much more pressure on Bidens behaviour - Trump will be back out doing 3 hour rally’s talking his usual nonsense but it’s last night people will remember - he’s clever and he’s learning how to manipulate the circumstance and the forum he’s in - on that aspect I can’t fault him (I’m afraid 🤪)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    In other news the Supreme Court continued its destruction of the American Republic by declaring Federal Agencies can't create rules to oversee their respective jurisdictions. Declaring themselves, the SC, the ultimate authority on any complex issue.

    They also made it legal for cities to arrest and charge homeless people for being homeless .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,283 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No, if Biden leaves it will not be under 25A it will be more ‘dignified.’ 25A is really bombastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The fault for the deal will always lie with Trump. Here's what a Trump advisor said about the deal:

    “The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban,” said Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert who served during the Trump administration as the National Security Council’s senior director for South and Central Asia.

    She called it “wishful thinking” to believe that the Taliban might be interested in lasting peace. The resulting agreement, she said, was heavily weighted toward the Taliban, contributed to undermining Afghan President Ashraf Ghani — he fled the country Sunday and is now in the United Arab Emirates — and facilitated the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners without a commensurate concession from the Taliban.

    “They wanted U.S. forces out, and they wanted to take over the country militarily, and they believed that they could do that,” Curtis said of the Taliban. “That was just crystal clear.”

    It didnt matter who was in The Whitehouse, as soon as it became clear the US was leaving, hundreds of thousands of Afghans would be forced to also leave.

    The US under the terms of the agreement were committed not to attack the Taliban.

    Interested to hear the alternative, given that once the US said they were leaving and the Taliban launched an offensive, a quick collapse of the Afghan government was inevitable. Unless you think the US should have remained?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    America delenda est. At this stage I couldn’t give a toss if the Yanks destroy their own country, my concern is that they will drag the rest of the west down with them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,296 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i suppose the threat of it (presume it would be considered very embarrassing) may be enough for him to step down and have kamala sworn in.

    as an aside, when reading about the 25th amendment it turns out kamala is the 1st female president of the US.

    2021: Kamala Harris
    On November 19, 2021, President Joe Biden temporarily transferred his powers and duties to Vice President Kamala Harris before undergoing a colonoscopy, making her acting president from 10:10 a.m. until 11:35 a.m. Harris is the first woman to hold the powers and duties of the U.S. presidency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    To be fair Biden was in reasonably good shape when in Ireland which was just before he announced he was running again.

    But like many people of his age, a mental and physical decline can happen fairly rapidly.

    Still think a dementia affected Biden would be a better option than Trump, or do less damage. Trump has shown a willingness to abandon allies at the drop of a hat, and encouraged the Russians to attack countries who don't spend big on defence. That's hardly the sign of someone who'd get tough on Putin. And that's just foreign policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Former US president Trump didn't change anyone's opinion of him but US president Biden did, and not for the better.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is the not insignificant matter of campaign funds for consideration, only Biden or Harris can use them.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The Democrats really need to get Biden to step aside if they want to win the election , he's clearly not well.It's close to elder abuse asking him to go through this campaign and being president.

    Nothing wrong with him that many other people of his age don't suffer with but people of his age tend to be at home watching cash in the attic and countdown and spending time with their grandkids not being president of the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,187 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well if America is actually daft enough to vote Trump I guess it'll give Alec Baldwin/SNL a career resurgence.

    Be funny to watch for any and all non-Americans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Get rid of biden and put in RFK Jr....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    He wont step aside. Biden. Not his nature.

    At the moment it looks like Trump will win but a long way to go. Don't despair yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I get to use this again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    He was me arse.

    The man has been a hollow shell for years.

    That's the point.

    The Dem party want a mannequin, not a functioning human as POTUS.

    Can't rule by committee when you have a strong leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    That odd solo shadow debate thing he had last night peaked at 10 million viewers on X which was more than the cnn live stream and the video of it is currently at 7 million views. Jill Stein done something similar but not sure how successful that was for her



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