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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,442 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Do you really think that Biden could lose on the basis of last night?

    Edit: Genuine question btw.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Primaries are over, but the nomination convention has not happened yet.

    It is an unusually early debate.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    And with better quality (at least their houses take a decade or two to fall over unlike Trump's section of the wall) but what's more worrying would be he gets a good chance to replace Alito and Clarence in the supreme court (we can only hope they don't die during a Republican reign).



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Trump will be the real debate loser from last night, as the Democratics now have time to regroup and dump Biden and find a way to beat Trump. This is a masterclass from the Democrats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Highlighter75


    Last night, Trump just ensured the Oval Office will be MAGA again.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Worth noting that in this election realistically, how many minds weren't made up and waiting on this debate? Both are known quantities and ex presidents; both their … well let's fall them foibles are already well known and noted.

    I can't see how the debate would have shifted the needle in any great direction outside of those armchair Politics Watchers; I can't see how actual voters would have been persuaded either way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ironically, the very early debate could prove a blessing in disguise for the Democrats. It gives them more than enough time to make a radical change to the nomination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    that would be going against the will of the people and it would be anti democratic, Biden is great behind closed doors

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    The hope would be that the small number of undecideds might vote Biden after Trump was terrible, but that definitely won't have happened there. Not saying they'd vote Trump, but nothing Biden did last night will have swung anyone blue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,445 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    At this point, I think so. Should Biden remain the nominee - which I think will be the likely outcome - unless something happens to really turn down the message that's spreading since yesterday, CFTrump edges him out in the swing states.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,954 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'm not going to have a go at an old man like Biden, we'll all get old. It's hard to see how he can be president for another 4 years though, if he's at this stage of decline today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,648 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Oh come off it. First I've never ever "shilled" for that vile specimen and secondly anyone who thinks Biden will be the candidate now is delusional and wants a Trump win.

    He can't be the candidate after that. They need to act fast. I believe Obama had a heart to heart with him today to try convince him to step out of the race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Obama is tweeting this so not giving any indication publicly of that. The opposite.

    Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight — and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn’t change that, and it’s why so much is at stake in November. http://joebiden.com

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Biden decent guy but too old ,one thing I noted is that Trump never ever name checks a law,policy or piece of legislation,he literally is detail free ,Biden for all his shortcomings now provides more specific information than Trump ever does.incredible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He won't say it publicly, not to seem hard on a man who is no longer in control of his faculties but if he wants a Democrat in the whitehouse next year he'll tell Biden's wife to get him to read out a statement of withdrawal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    New York Times editorial board (who supported Biden four years ago) have called on him to withdraw from the contest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It probably would be better for Biden if he decided to leave the re-election stage for the betterment of the presidency, the US and for a Democrat candidate to take his place, pushing the angle that it was the "presidential" thing to do. They need some-one who can hammer Trump where it hurts most, in the ego, and take the war to him.

    I know Trump would make hay on that move on "Truth Social", but he'll make noises no matter what Biden and the Democrats do now on whom represents them as their party candidate. It would be something Trump, due to his nature, would not like, having to face off against a more active candidate. It would really stick it to the GOP in a "what do we do now? way" for choosing him to represent them as their candidate for the third time and allowing him to stack the GOP top deck with "loyalists".



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Dubious. If he was planning to speak to Biden to urge him not to run - the point I responded to, he'd hardly tweet that would he? He'd say nothing.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Is it?

    Or maybe Obama has seen more of Biden than we have and doesnt see anything like that.

    Again multiple dubious claims. A very specific claim was made about Obama. A claim with no supporting evidence. Seems entirely reasonable to point out Obama strongly backing him publicly is contrary to that speculation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What do people expect if Biden gave up the candidacy for another? It'd be madness, a bloodbath and would make his presidency a lame duck - and you could guarantee the GOP would be screaming at him to step down. They practically had a fit when Obama tried to get a new Supreme Court Judge in "an election year", could you imagine the histrionics if Biden became a nominal caretaker president?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ok.

    If he wants to pretend that that debate was a one off. Let him but there is no way he does not view Biden as unable for the job and much of normal life.

    Given what we have seen over a long period of time, he will have seen more.

    Personally I hope they stick with Biden for the damage it will do to the Democrats in Congress and the Senate, nevermind the Whitehouse race.

    If they want to have any chance they need a candidate who does not have a profound mental impairment.

    Do you honestly believe that Biden is no profoundly impaired now, it is only a religious type certainty that denies it.

    Happy are those who have seen but still do not believe

    At a practical level Democrats running for Congress or senate won't want to now campaign with him because of damage to their own chances.

    Biden might pick up again. Might not, the nature of dementia, but he also may have a further rapid determination where his ability to speak and interact is affected at a very basic level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    OK let's pretend you've qualifications in geriatrics, you'd then know that no diagnosis of dementia could ever be made outside a clinical setting without regulated testing. But then again let me guess, you're an expert in financial and banking control in 2008 or a virology and pharmacogy in 2020.

    Now I'm not saying he doesn't, however you know just watching what's displayed on TV doesn't represent any kind of testing, so saying that he does have dementia should be really met with scoff and derision

    For qualification, my partner is a GP with a specialisation in geriatrics



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You're just projecting what you think Obama should do.

    The point is, there's zero evidence Obama is doing any of those things. That was the point I responded to, and you jumped in to reply to my post - again, with zero evidence.

    I'm the one looking for evidence, and you're talking nonsense therefore about 'religious type certainty'.

    If you've no evidence, we're done here as you are just venting at this point.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'm saying what Obama should do for the benefit of the democratic party, as an elder statesman of the party he has a role to play.

    I find it hard to believe he has washed his hands of it all and won't step up to help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭Piskin


    Trump has learned from his earlier debates against Biden, he was calm, composed and coherent. Biden once and for all proved to us all that he has been propped up like a cardboard pin up these last 3 years by the powers that be in the DNC. Trump is going to take at least 2 blue states in the election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ok, it's a cold that he has had for a very long time and is getting progressively worse. Why not.

    It's finished his Presidency and may damage his party unless they can get rid of him or a packet of strepsils .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While Biden's performance was extremely poor (I've only seen snippets mind) the only people I can see having their minds changed on the basis of it would be republican voters who were feeling queasy about Trump and his criminal antics and were contemplating lending their vote to the Democrats for a term.

    What % of the US voting public that would be is anyone's guess though.



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