Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

I don’t know is the answer.
Why would it matter though if they intended it or not, they died on all sides.
It matters to you because it scratches the itch to blame one side and characterise them as unique.
They weren’t.

Yes, unequivocally, the evidence demonstrates that the IRA did intentionally target children.

Two examples:

(1) Mullaghmore: This bomb was detonated by remote control, requiring a direct line of sight on the boat. The IRA murderer knew, as he pressed the button, that he was killing children

(2) Warrington: Deliberately confusing bomb warnings were given to ensure that women and children out shopping would be murdered. One of the bombs exploded outside a McDonalds.

The PIRA were pure evil, of that there is no doubt. Those that continue to succour and revere and defend them today must be viewed through the same lens.

So there was an alternative to killing children, and Michelle O'Neill was wrong.

We have finally got there.

@FrancieBrady and @blanch152 This is not the thread for debating the troubles,theres a united Ireland thread for that,would ye both continue that there please and keep this one for the topic at hand

I read an article dicussing a new survey showing SF has up to 60% of the under 30's vs 10% for FG.

This is surely good news for Sinn Féin after a dismal few weeks and its a vote that didnt bother to get out in the Euro's etc that will get out in the GE.

So theres plenty of positivity in the growth story for Sinn Féin in the Dáil yet.

It depends on who votes,if you can get even half that 60% out,you'll be up at or above 2020 again.

That being said you'd need to be up in the high 60's in turnout as you've only a little over a tenth of the rest and do you know,they DO vote

I think the lesson we can learn is never believe what a anonymous account on the internet posts

I know supporters of the PIRA during the troubles, none of them would make the excuses etc we see posted on here of the actions they did during the troubles.

In terms of PSF, well trying to break the conversation of PSF and the PIRA is hard when they constantly bring it back up and throw it in peoples faces

I see a little video today of MON on some program, I guess from the North, which said MLMD wouldn't attend PIRA events if she is Taoiseach, when asked if MON would not attend them as well she went around in circles, couldn't just answer yes or no. Typical PSF.

Do you have an article that shows that? I would guess it relates to polls from a year ago.

If Sinn Fein has 60% of the under-30s, then it must be around 5% of those over 30 to reach a level of 23% in the polls.

People fully understand that Sinn Fein commemorate terrorists to hang on to their core vote, however, that is reason enough for decent people not to vote for them, and it is also wrong.

I won't vote for Aontu because of their stance on pro-life and I won't vote for Sinn Fein because they refuse to apologise properly for the actions of the PIRA. Fundamentally, any political party that supports, or apologises for non-state actor terrorists is a threat to democracy.

Northern Ireland voters have different priorities to Republic of Ireland voters

Their priorities are very accepting and tollerating of Republican commerations and for a strong share of their vote up there expecting of that

Ergo Southern voters asking/demanding MoN drops Republican comemorations is unreasonable

Allied to that younger Southern voters minded towards Sinn Féin ,on the whole clearly don't give a twopenny damn about it

That bit I undéstand very well

If MLMD says she won't attend, why would MON think it is ok?

She is supposed to represent all the people in Northern Ireland, attending those events to celebrate the PIRA murdering people ia hardly a good representation of any community? after all the PIRA killed more nationalists than anyone else during the troubles.

People want to move on, forget the troubles as much as possible. Yet PSF want to rub it in their faces whenever they get a chance. Of course this plays to a couple of people, but does is it what everyone else wants?

Do you have anything to back up the 10-20% of PSF in the North are "fringe lunatic anti gfa"? the people I know are nothing of the sort, of course you have few but they are the people when they are drinking in the bar you go into the lounge if you get me

In terms of locking down the thread, well you are here in the good times, before this you had one person running 10+ accounts, having full blown conversations with himself and a number of prominent accounts using PM's and all sorts to attack people who didn;t agree with them.

If you ignore the nonsense and 101 posts on the same topic, you will find a good discussion.

As I said, if PSF want to stop talking about PIRA, they should stop bringing them up all the time

If MLMD says she won't attend, why would MON think it is ok?

Personal choice.

A harbinger of a UI too. Senior government ministers or a Taoiseach/President from a unionist background wouldn't be expected to attend commemorations of Independence or Unification, not by me anyway.
It's called accommodating people and allowing them the freedom to remember their own.

So because the polls read that young people might vote for PSF, you think they don't care about the past? That's a jump isn't it? have any of these polls asked young people if they care about the past?

I don't bash Francie, in fact the only poster on here who constantly makes personal comments is Francie. So you need to withdraw that statement and very quickly

In terms of policies, I think you will find when they are discussed the topic is quickly switched by PSF supporters to something else, this thread and every other is the same. Policies are something PSF supporters don't want to discuss because they are a shambles.

You are making a lot of assumptions based on polls, the last general election was a revolt election and well reported at the time. The local election no matter how PSF paint it was a mess for them.

The younger voters are starting to see through the noise from PSF, will they be so amenable when they realise the plan for PSF and housing will set back Ireland years and instead of getting a house quicker, they will end up longer waiting?

I couldn't care less about Francie, the number of posts on the thread is all noise and it is the same noise been posted on any PSF thread for years. I don't demand people to stop talking about a topic which you seem to think you can do. So best of luck on that, the last person I seen doing that was Francie and I posted the same to them

Boards is full of threads, on all sorts of topic. Don't like the discussion on this one then go onto another one. Demanding what people can and can't discuss on a thread, well that's not your job. Contact the mods with your ideas and see what they say

Strange you also pick me but say nothing to Francie, if you are so upset at the content would you not pick it up with that poster? especially as any decent discussion starts here they jump in with 101 posts of nonsense to shut it down.

SF isn't policy driven (bar UI), even their supporters don't worry about policy costs or manifestos and will never discuss those areas.

It's populist politics using soundbites, if your goal is to impact votes, a discussion forum is probably the wrong place.

Yawn,I do read this thread and participate

Its perfectly obvious the threads here have been dragged down the current affairs gutter sniping road

Nothing is being discussed here

Don't like that being called out ? Tough

I replied to your post becsuse,you're part of the whole laugh you're making of this place

I've told @FrancieBrady the same many times

Now any chance we all could go back on topic,discussing why SF might be unlikely to enter government in the Republic of Ireland anytime soon ?