?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

Selection is August, but if they drop Biden now it will be patently obvious that the powers that be were deliberately lying to the nation by insisting that he was perfectly fine.

He didn't just become that bad overnight. The opposition have been highlighting his condition for years, and more so this last few months as it seemed to nosedive. But the Whitehouse, the press secretary, the media and top Democrats have been pushing back. Insisting that not only is he competent but he's ultra intense, sharper than a man half his age etc etc.

This for example, admitting reduced energy but insisting that he's sharp and commanding with no issues over mental acuity whatsoever.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4709707-chris-coons-biden-diminished-energy-sharp-commanding/

They were clearly lying and removing Biden now is an admission that they got caught out. They're actually in a really tough spot. Force Biden out and they're admitting that they tried to conceal his decline, plus face either having Kamela Harris take his spot or have a backlash for overlooking a woman of colour. Or keep Biden and see him trounced.

Not like he's unique on that front.

Well I'm not a trump supporter and I've seen the obvious over the past year or so. That's the problem with US politics now, it's so polarized its ridiculous. If you point out an issue with one then you must be a rabid supporter of the the other, which isn't the case for the most part. I don't know a single person who thinks Biden is fit for office, or even likes him as a president, but they put up with it because to say anything means you must be for the other guy and therefore a "bad person". Absolute joke.

They could save face (to some extent) by encouraging him to pull out for some other medical reason that is not dementia or anything neurological e.g. it would be plausible to say that he is in pain due to arthritis and now doesn't feel up to another 4 years. But there's nothing wrong with his brain, oh no, not at all.

He then retires from public life and in a few years if he's still alive, there can be an announcement that he is suffering with dementia. By the time the debates start about whether he had dementia in office or not (see similar debates re: Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan) everyone will have moved on..

He seemed more vigorous at the subsequent rally, and sounded markedly better. The problem is that even if you say he was just having a really bad night at the debate and was kind of out of it due to a terrible head cold, a US president has to be the kind of person who has the stuff to do their duties even on their worst day because a crisis isn't going to wait to happen only on the times the US president is in good form.

The perception that he's senile is now out there more than ever and I don't know how exactly he's going to undo that damage and anything he does to that end will be seen as stage-managed damage control. I can imagine a lot of people just rolling their eyes at a sitdown interview with Oprah or some such.

Few would have predicted in November 2020 that Trump would run for president again, never mind that the election would look like it was Trump's to lose, four months out.

it is obvious now that there is a cabal behind the scenes possibly obama and clinton pulling the puppet strings for biden they surely are secretly running the country because biden isn't functioning anymore - and there's nothing democratic about that - in fact the opposite its borderlie abusive

It's over for Joe but how do they remove him without losing face and admitting that yes all along Trump supporters have been right over the last couple of years pointing out the obvious.

Not sure how much of an issue that is. How much face do you need to save in front of people who actually support a complete mess of a human being that is Donald J. Trump?

For most voters now, after that debate, there is only one show in town whether they like it or not - Donald J. Trump. I really cant see the dems pulling an alt rabbit out of the hat to replace biden, its too late. Looking very like at least 4 more years of Trump with his Project 2025 scenario and all his 10s of 1000s acolites already lined up and "trained" in the background ready to replace the whole US civil service etc. The rest of the world best be making plans for a trump presidency .. without US involved

BTW - the latest MAGA line is America is NOT a democracy ITS a REPUBLIC

Wonder what odds you would get on this ending as a Haley vs Newsome election

It's not too late in terms of the time left until the election, especially as the party has someone like Gavin Newsom who could jump in. I look at Newsom and see a classic corporate centrist, but at least he's not doddery 80+. Biden would probably have to endorse him, though.

Biden still won the debate, despite his dithering. He scored by making a few wholly substantiated claims about his achievements in office to date whilst Trump spewed out a list of over thirty complete falsehoods, albeit in an untypicically articulate fashion.

Biden still won the debate

eh no, he didn't, and it wasn't because of what he said.