FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

"We have had plenty of people getting into the Dail who are not qualified for any job"

We do indeed have plenty of TDs who're not remotely qualified, but thats entirely different to a wholly unqualified TD being appointed minister for Finance. Which is what the discussion is about. A backbencher, or opposition TD, has nowhere near the power and influence on the country.

One singular person who was unqualified for a job being good at it, against the odds, does not make it good hiring practice.

I'm not making anything up, most Ministers for Finance are far more qualified than Chambers is.

Lets put it another way - in the private sector, how many companies with a yearly budget of €100bn would hire a 33 year old with no prior relevant life experience, or academic qualification, as CFO? The answer is none - and for good reason. Thats just not old enough, or experienced enough, to do such an important job.

If Martin wasn't playing political games and trying to annoint/elevate a successor Chambers would not be in the discussion for such a senior, important, cabinet position. Martin is putting internal FF power dynamics above the good of the country here, and its quite transparent to most people.

(and I say that as someone who was defending Martin on this very thread a week ago)

I didn't even bother going back over the previous but I expected as much.

Also the lack of people able to identify an alternative in government or a better in the opposition parties says a lot.

Just the latest whinging session on this thread, really it's hilarious now

Michael McGrath - Degree in Commerce from UCC, chartered accountant - far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience

Paschal Donohoe - 1.1 degree from Trinity in Economics - far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience

Michael Noonan - degree in economics from UCD, far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience as a cabinet level minister in four other roles

Thats the most recent three ministers from your list, I can't be bothered to go any further down correcting you.

And I didn't even mean just in Ireland, have a look around the EU at Ministers for Finance - in Germany Christian Lindner (MA specialising in tax competition), in Italy Giancarlo Giorgetti (Economics degree, years of work as a financial auditor), in Spain María Jesús Montero (Masters degree in Business, years of senior management experience). etc.

Chambers is by any fact based assessment dramatically underqualified compared to both his predecessors in the Irish Minister for Finance role, and his peergroup in 2024 in European Ministers for Finance in all of academics, life experience, and ministerial experience.

"Give an opinion based on facts, not on myths" —The facts speak for themselves, Chambers lack of experience (both comparative and by itself) is clear for all to see, its not my opinion - its fact.

Someone with his CV would get absolutely nowhere near a position with that much responsibility in the private sector. And rightly so, because hes blatently unqualified for it. We should expect no lower standards in the public sector than in the private sector.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a 33 year old with no ministerial experience, no academic background in finance or economics, and no professional experience at a senior management level is the best candidate to be Minister for Finance in Ireland with a budget to manage of in excess of €100bn?

Would you personally hire a 33 year old CFO for your company who has no financial or economics degrees, or experience in similar roles?

Firstly, I never said he was the best candidate.

Secondly, he is as qualified as most of his listed predecessors back to the 1970s

Thirdly, outside of others on the government benches, I can't see anyone on the opposition bench better qualified.

He therefore ticks the boxes better than most.

It's about geography too. A senior ministerial position in Dublin helps get votes in November. Big Jim will be delighted 🙂

So you are talking about a vicious attack by a person on another person, somehow trying to say the amount TD's are paid are the reason for that happening?

Then complaining because a highly educated person who is 10 years now in politics doesn't have the experience you think they should to get a Minister role

We are a serious country, that's not a serious post.

Maybe have a bit of respect for the poor lady in this instance and not use her as some half assed post to complain about the government. What happened to her was a disgrace, anyone getting attacked like that is a disgrace and we need to try and reduce this. Pointing at the Dail is going to do what exactly?

Maybe we should look at the drink culture in Ireland and see if trying to reduce this more might reduce the number of attacks?

ANyway a full thread to discuss it available, so will leave it to that

Anything in that paper about proper policing of our streets when there's thousands of young people drunk and coked up bouncing off each other? Or about the availability of prison space?

So who do we elect to take responsibility of the mess we are in and have been in for some time? The Judges?

You've some cheek accusing anyone of making an incoherent argument, and posting a report from a no doubt well paid NGO.

Pity it's not protected from cronyism.

They say they won't co-operate on the running of the Dáil until the government agrees to bring in Justice Minister, local TD Helen McEntee to explain the appointment of Supreme Court judge Seamus Woulfe.

Meanwhile, Minister McEntee is expected to come under further scrutiny over a Circuit Court judge appointed on the same day as Séamus Woulfe, who once worked in former Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan's solicitors firm.

https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/mcentee-expected-to-come-under-more-pressure-over-appointment-of-circuit-court-judge/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/justice-minister-helen-mcentee-must-face-dail-questions-over-woulfe-appointment-says-labour-leader-alan-kelly/39752562.html

That some assumption to make and not sure how you made it based on what the person posted. We have a thread already on this forum about the event, I don't see anyone saying the judgement was correct.

The argument was incoherent, it was a ramble against TD's and their pay and a person getting horribly attacked. Next post you are going on about "NGOs'"

Sorry but it just seems you got a load of buzz words from the web, fired them into a post and used the poor lady attack for no reason apart from it is in the news now.

As I posted the problems with alcohol in Ireland has been going on too long, how we fix I dont know.

Are the streets unsafe? I travel all over Ireland, I go out in those towns. I am in Dublin city centre 2-3 times at least a week and socialise in Dublin city centre yet I have never had any issues.

So how are they unsafe?

The only issue I ever had when out was in Sydney which I would say if far more unsafe, but SA in spots, not all of it is the place I would say in come cities the streets are unsafe.

The over the top reaction to every incident as if Ireland is unsafe is just noise. Not based on reality

Who is sweeping it under the carpet, you declared the street are not safe, they are

Do we have anti-social issues, yes

If you check my posting history I think we need a whole new jail so yes we need more spaces.

Not sure who you are trying to impress by going on about that poor ladies attack and you seem to be descending down a path I have no interest in. We have a full thread to discuss that topic as already pointed out.

See how far you get talking about "slapping the head off a woman", I doubt she is looking for that type of support either

Indeed, Martin probably knows that older FF types would do a coalition deal with SF, whereas Union Jack will want to stay with FG.

Right then.

Who is responsible for the lenient sentencing that sees serious offences and repeat offenders frequently escape prison time? (If you say Judges, then can you clarify who appoints the judges)

That would be the judges

The President does

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