?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

That's a very charitable description of it. About the most optimistic articles I saw described it as a draw. Realistically if he has another performance like that in September, wouldn't bet on a favourable result in November.

the following point is never made in the news media/or in debates. The team behind either whichever gets in. We have PRECIDENT to go on in both cases.
During Trumps time he hired people that were , in general, quite radical/off the wall.
and also, a lot of them were ‘fired’ /just left after a few months . There was constant friction going on within his team.

Trump, apparently, never listens to advice given/opinions offered He is ‘ his own man’

Whereas , during Biden’s term the COMPLETE OPPOSITE is the case.

So whichever gets in , it is the TEAM that we should PICTURE as running the country and not the president only as such

…hmmm. How the yanks see him 😂

full house on my bingo card cheers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate?wprov=sfla1

…and the cocaine

I dpubt the entire American electoral system will be reformed so its 2 party system. Literally one or the other.

Even if you look at the 2020 debates you can see the massive decline of Biden, and I remember there was the same criticisms even then. Sad really.

The Dems are in a bind at the moment. If Biden steps aside, who takes over as nominee? VP Harris isn't a viable choice as too many in America just don't like her and I cannot think of anyone else in the wings that would be able to get people onside with just 5 months to go before election date.

However, Biden was bad the other night, shockingly so. Sure he's prone to the odd gaffe here and there, but the other night it was stumble, followed by lock up, followed by stumble. The thing is, who's minds are changed by that? Traditional Democrat voters aren't going to be changing their minds on the basis of one performance and suddenly opt for the Trump (or stay at home considering what happened when they did that in 2016) and most Republican voters were always going to vote for Trump anyway. So, there's just a relatively small cohort of undecided that may have their direction altered and most of them would be undecided Republican voters I'd wager.

It's a sad state of affairs that US elections mainly come down to keeping the other guy out, rather than voting for someone you truly believe is better for the country.

It's funny, I was thinking the other day at how the US used to poke fun at the Russians in the 80's over the ages of their leadership, some of whom died in office. Gorbachev was considered young, because he was 55 when he became leader.

And now here they are too.

What's even worse is how people outside of the US (including Ireland!) have absorbed this simplistic and dangerous mindset as well, and not just on this issue.

Think of this every time I see someone saying 'Reform' is the only option in the UK election. Like as if a large portion of the population were either in a coma or completely ignorant as to the actions and influence of Farage since at least 2016.

We're seeing similar in Ireland with people running for local council positions then talking about actions they are going to take on a national level. Like as if they don't actually understand what it is the role the are running for entails.

As for the 'Obama' pulling the strings for a 4th term? There's literally no evidence of this is there, aside from it being a narrative pushed by the US right for the last 4 years. But what tangible example is there that this is the case?

There's way more evidence that Sean Hannity was influencing Donald Trump as President that there is Obama influencing Biden. A point made all the more relevant given Hannity is nothing more than a conservative media personality whereas Obama has 8 years experience of President on his CV.

At the end of the day the next term looks impossible, 2 out of control wars, domestic inflation, debt, high interest rates, kind of a poison pill , they can blame Trump for not fixing everything unless some magic is pulled from the hat

No, it's not valid. Trump was on course for re-election until he massively mishandled the Covid pandemic. There were other factors as well, like his refusal to unequivocally condemn the display at Charlottesville, and a generally unpresidential way of conducting himself, but I think the biggest factor was Covid.

Anyway, the people had it all in front of them when Trump was in office and it wasn't theoretical the damage he was doing, but it seems that the damage someone is doing is a much better motivator than the damage someone could do in terms of voting against them because Biden's polling numbers have consistently lagged behind Trump's, especially in the swing states where polling numbers actually matters, which is also why anyone who cites national polls is being a moron. American elections come down to only thousands of people deciding to vote one way or the other in less than ten states. Biden is behind in pretty much every one of these areas, and in places like Nevada, Georgia and Pennsylvania, it's not even that close.

He is in massive trouble, electorally. US democracy is in massive trouble. The apparent lack of panic is mad. It's not like the iceberg is hard to see, or the severity of hitting it unknown, and yet a course is still being plotted directly towards it.

Joe Biden is not going to get anything like numbers he did in 2020. I can one hundred percent guarantee that will not happen.