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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Summer2024 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    A big climb down in the rainfall totals for the next 10 days from both ECM and GFS and not as cool as recent charts were showing, quite a lot of moderating temperatures around being drawn in by the LP to the high teens / low 20's so not as bad as was showing only a couple of runs ago.

    The LP set to move in and stay around as the week goes on looks a lot flabbier and just producing weaker fronts now. So a deal of uncertainty yet but possibly leaning towards less rainfall and warmer then what was showing in the last few runs. Will see if the moderating trend continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Ya a lot more 20c days in todays forecast. Perfect if you ask me but still a few drizzly days however not nearly as bad as yesterday. Let's see what pans out but hopefully the 12 to 14c days can be scratched for a while. 17c to 20c is more bearable even if its cloudy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    the charts for the coming week have certainly improved from what we were looking at over the past few days. However the GFS still going for a relatively cool and unsettled first week of July but that is along way off so therefore is unreliable. Let's hope it doesn't verify but a cool and unsettled period probably will happen at some stage during July, just hopefully nowhere near as prolonged as the recent cold spell.

    and the embedding of images into posts seems to be fixed now thankfully. Alot of scatter in the models from June 27th so everything past day 5 can be taken with a large pinch of salt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Monday to Wednesday good in the East this week. Drizzle and mist mixed with the sun in the West. Mainly during morning. Later in the week a bit more unsettled. A strong low wants to take hold on the GFS but sometimes these get held back. If it doesn't the floodgates open for a lot of days unsettled with slider lows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭ascophyllum


    The charts between now and the 10th July are not great looking, apart from brief interludes, a westerly flow and plenty of low-pressure, no real settled weather forseeable



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yeah all looking very mediocre on the models, apart from today no real sign of any warm or settled weather. Models mostly showing the jetstream on a north-west to south-east alignment which isn't what we want in summer or any time of the year really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Ya that pattern can last weeks. If it sets up after Wednesday it could last 2 weeks but hopefully the Azores high gets a few nudges in so it's not continuous rainy days.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Todays GFS 12z is fairly grim if your looking for warm and settled weather. Real shades of June 2024 or July 2023 with todays model output, cool with temperatures cooler than average almost from start to finish and an increase in precipitation. The GFS has the north-west to south-east alignment of the jetstream persisting for the first half of July. Of course much of this is in the unreliable timeframe but if this verifies this could be the coolest overall summer in quiet a while as June is likely to finish up cooler than average. I don't think 2 warm days is enough to unravel the chilly first 2 and a half weeks of this month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Certainly trending the wrong way for Summer 24!! Time of course for a heatwave in mid July, nobody really knows! For now it's a wait and see...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭compsys


    June is actually likely to finish up quite close to average temp wise in much of the East. Including Dunsany which is close to where you are Gonzo. However places further West will end up around 1º below average.

    Phoenix Park may even end up a tad ABOVE its long-term average. This of course will send the usual suspects into a tail spin.

    How we perceive the weather and temperature is very subjective of course. But a big factor at play is the very mild May. May's max daily temps were actually closer to June's. In the East at least.

    As Sryan pointed out Casement averaged a daily high of: 17.2C (+1.8C above average). Phoenix Park averaged a daily high of: 17.7C (*+1.9C above average, *estimate).

    These types of temps continued into much of June. But as we were already used to them from May it probably made the month feel a bit cooler than it actually was.

    And anyway, Ireland is so cool to begin with that any summer month with remotely average temps is going to feel 'crap' to many people. But as I keep saying we expect way too much from our summers to begin with. And our winters for that matter.

    Post edited by compsys on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭joinme


    These are dire outlooks for those who want some sun and warmth. MTC also not so optimistic in today's forecast. Is there any chance this could swing back to a warm front or are we basically goosed until mid-July?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    There is a chance but right now the modeling for first half of July is another July trainwreck and we need huge changes fast to flip this around. The north-westerlies dominated much of June and it looks like the same for July, just a wetter pattern compared to June combined with chilly temperatures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Not made with hands


    Convincing the general public to change their ways due to climate change is going to be one tough sell in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭Robwindstorm


    Well feck it anyway. Doesn't look like silage been made next week and the week after looks like even heavier rainfall, so that's my outdoor wedding on July 8th in major jeopardy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Relying on more flooding over high temperatures for that it would seem. Having said that all these higher than average temperature months should mean a higher ceiling for record breaking days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I'd nearly say the weather for the rest of Summer will be

    Rain for all of July except 3rd week for a couple of days

    Rain for all of August but chillier and drier near the end

    But based on what?? Nothing except 2011 was like that here and this year seems a copycat to that in Sligo though we had a colder may and slightly warmer june that year.

    This year in Sligo is the coldest June since before 2006 because that's when I started recording things. 2007 to 2012 were bad Summers but not 11 to 13c every day of June.

    In case I'm fired out of this for going off topic the +120hrs forecast has a slither of continuous lows coming down from the North Atlantic with lots of rain most days. Yay. No drought this year at least.

    Europe not much better so far, chilly in France, heavy rain in Germany, quite mixed in a lot of Spain. Europe has a cold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Indeed and notable that places like Malaga are still high 20s when you would expect mid 30s heading for July. Most of Europe looks cooler than normal tbh



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Interesting the comments about western Europe, the cold first half to June and the upcoming prolonged July cold spell is going to affect western Europe again, it's not just Ireland and western fringes of the UK that's had a sub-standard first third to summer.

    I'm also quite knowledgeable of the climate of the Costa Del Sol which is my second home and up to this point they have been colder than average for the most part over the past 6 weeks, although they did have a very hot heat spike not so long ago. Overall temperatures there on average have been between 23 and 27C but in reality they should be hitting 30C most days and several days per week over 30C at this time of the year.

    I have a feeling that for Ireland and indeed much of western Europe we will see a more aggressive uptick in temperatures for August and first half of September which is when our real summer will be. A backloaded summer is extremely possible this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yes Gonzo. I would expect the same but sometimes it doesn't work out like that. However I would say we will at least get a few 20c spells after disaster July. But after disaster July cools everywhere it may be hard to get up to the mid high twenties due to shortening days and not much land heat to tap into. Also remember ocean temps will be cooler this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,249 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    On the flip side, cooler ocean temps can mean less cloud?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Divine sweet mary mother of god😱



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Summer weather will return in the second week of July...it will be similiar to the weather we got in May /early june only this time there will be alot more heat around which could prolong the heatwaves even more possibly on and off into August...chance we might get abit of the extreme heat they get in other countries

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Fingers crossed gonzo our summer runs till mid September so here's hoping



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    In terms of rainfall this summer hasn't been bad, the main reason this first half to summer is feeling very much not like summer is the unusual persistence of the cold northerly or north-westerlies which we just cannot seem to break out of properly. Imagine if we took the June and July 2024 pattern and had it in December and January instead, now that would be the makings of an absolutely brutal winter of possibly extreme cold.

    This cold temperature anomaly surely cannot persist right to the end of August so a fair chance the second half of this summer (from mid July onwards) should be warmer than the first half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭compsys


    August is still summer. And sea temps are usually at their warmest in early September. There is nothing to suggest it will be too cool or the days too short for high temps to occur in Ireland after July.

    The warmest month the country ever experienced was an August in 1995 and last year we'd temps well into the 20s in early September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Exactly 💯 I have a good feeling and faith that the 2nd half of summer will be a good one, like I know it can take a while for to heat up but as I said August and most of September can be a warm one 😀 I know people are moaning that it's been rotten out lately and I agree but just have confidence and just hold on and we will get there



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    "Have confidence" in dumb random luck and good feelings. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    I wouldn't be assuming the latter half of Summer will produce. If anything the last 20 years has written off August!! Yes it could change for the better but recent year's have either delivered by mid July or not at all. Of course September is different and has given mid 20s on quite a few years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭emo72


    Thinking here, should I put the heating on? I'm in Dublin, me mates are sending photos of a balmy afternoon in sunny Leitrim. The difference a few miles make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    No not assuming but I haven't ruled it out I know August has been a mostly washout month but even 2 weeks of 25c will do me between now and September 15th



  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Banarol


    Only 2 years ago we had a 32.1 C on August 13th. 11 stations broke their August maximum temperature record.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,673 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    I wouldn't hedge my bets on it but bank it nonetheless. GFS 12z was very dry with high pressure ridging and ridging continuously into Ireland through to the end of its run starting later next week. If this were to occur, temperatures would also finally start to warm up on a nationwide scale though especially in the west closer to the high pressure as there would be a bit of a northeasterly wind influence to the north and east. Good to note that any NE'ly wind would not be as impactful compared to a few weeks prior. Mid-July is often a prime time for Irish heatwaves. This would be a technical one with consistent mid 20s day after day. Main thing would be how dry it would be. Hardly a millimetre for a good week and a half at the very least.

    It was on the upper range of the ensemble suite but not an outlier. You can see how persistent the high pressure is on the run with the air pressure never falling below 1020 hPa in Dublin after the 11th July and even getting up to 1030 hPa on the 17th which is very high for July.

    Other models as you'd expect not nearly as enthusiastic in showing this.

    ECM shows a cut off low hindering any high pressure ridging into us rather than undercutting with some promise at the very end of its run at day 10 Monday 15th July. Hints of pressure rising but this is clearly a much more unsettled and changeable run before it gets to any high pressure signal.

    UKMO shows high pressure starting to ridge from the northwest towards the latter part of next week but with relatively cool air entrenched - at first that is. The way it positions the cut off low near Biscay would make me think after a few days, warm air would start flowing up from the south and the anticyclone would intensify.

    GEM shows a weak attempt of ridging later next week before the Atlantic influence makes a full quick and swift return.

    It's some hope at least for summer lovers which we haven't had in weeks. Besides a little warmer period through mid-June which was transient, we've not had a definitive warm and dry period nationwide since June last year or arguably August 2022 in some cases. May was thundery at times with some locally very wet weather in parts of the south/west. Let's have some hope to cling onto.

    Post edited by sryanbruen on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,673 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Good model runs all round this morning for prospects on high pressure to start influencing our weather through mid-July increasing the chances of nationwide warm and dry weather.

    Ensembles still a bit mixed for now but a warming signal is there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    It sure is. For weeks there has been on and off hopes of a major improvement from mid July but it gets knocked off again in some runs. But at worst it looks like 17c to 20c days with just a few showers. At best mid twenties. Let's see if it stays there. Will be better than 5c to 15c anyways as yesterday's temperature was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,673 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Unfortunately the ridge barely builds in on this morning's runs and allows a lot of flabby Atlantic lows to give unsettled weather. UKMO and GEM the best of the lot. UKMO has the ridge centred to the N/NW by Friday 12th which would give a lot of dry and pleasant weather, the airmass is relatively warm. GEM builds in a ridge that quickly gets shunted off to the north of Scandinavia losing its influence over Ireland by Monday 15th.

    Still a slight warming signal on the GEFS but it's lost a bit of confidence with generally speaking around average temperatures for most of the perturbations. The operationals have swung the other way basically to the other extreme from the other day being on the lower end of the range of mean sea level pressure.

    As I said, it was clinging onto hope rather than a forecast. When will we get a centrally located ridge of high pressure again that is more than a few days!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Yes the Jet is just being too stubborn staying South of us not letting ridging build for long. Only transient rub of HP, runs have been nudging a bit on the cooler side too but should see temperatures in the mid to high teens in general, will probably see over 20C in a few places ,drier for the Western half of the country perhaps, a mixed bag , in general not too much rain showing up over the next 10 days, currently looking like slack airflows apart from the normal few breezy spells on the coasts.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    This seems to be the trend all summer, prolonged cool spells from the north or north-west, models eventually start showing what we want for more than a few days and then a day later the models backtrack and we're left clinging onto hope of 1 warm day above 20C. IF anything the current cool spell is being prolonged yet again untill the 17th of July and barely average after that. All very dissapointing.

    For me at least I'm going to Spain for 2 weeks end of August so at least i'll catch some summer weather then. Only 7 weeks of summer left to go for us and we're back into autumn and summer has never really gotten going this year at all. I suppose we can be thankful at least that this summer is so far nowhere nearly as wet as last summer but i'm really growing sick of day after day of temperatures barely making it to mid teens, the cloud, wind and random drizzely showers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Indeed the year without a Winter or a Summer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The year of the everlasting late October.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 18z continues to show an increasingly unsettled second half to July with potential for another cold spell to set up during the 3th week and barely a sniff of anything remotely warm. Will August save this poor and chilly summer, time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,039 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    GFS predicts a large moderate storm next Wednesday (T156).

    Wind:

    Rain:

    Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks
    To murder men and gie God thanks?
    Desist for shame, proceed no further
    God won't accept your thanks for murder.

    ―Robert Burns



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z rolling out and it's basically curtains on summer for the rest of July. Nothing more needs to be said really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    This is getting not only annoying and disappointing but also people now are losing faith in summer , our only chance is August getting warm to hot but I'm not holding my breath anymore



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭ThaitaniumM


    Don't worry we'll get high pressure all winter 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,216 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I'd imagine you could predict the rest of the year being unsettled and mostly cool with an odd warm day and ya wouldn't be too wrong. Not too cold for snow though. No fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Extraordinary July, barely touching 20C sofar and regularly much lower! It must be heading towards one of the coldest Summers in a long time! Who would want to holiday in this type of Climate. Ireland you've nearly got it all, but your climate must be one of the worst in the world!

    14C Christmas Eve and 14C mid July. All you can do is 😃



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I dunno what the max temperature for July is so far but it can't be much higher than 20C and we will be lucky to see anything past 23C this month based on the current modeling. The current cool spell has now been extended yet again to July 21st and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets extended further over next few days. Anything remotely average to warm is constantly been pushed back day by day.

    Some of the long range models are predicting the current north-westerly Atlantic dominance could persist all through August and into September, some even go as far as October. At least we know this pattern will change in time for winter and we will have long fetch south-westerlies along with high pressure spells!



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