Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

It wouldnt be so bad giving out about Football were it not for the blatant hypocrisy some have in completely ignoring underwhelming games in other sports.

Roscommon v Armagh was dreadful one worst games ever at Croker. Donegal v louth was bang average at best of times.

Derry play a very defensive game where they want to suck opponents in, turn them over and hit them fast on the counter. Obviously Kerry didn't want to play into their hands and were cagey measured and ponderous in possession for 60 minutes and then pushed for home with their extra quality without much fuss. Didn't make for a great spectacle but the aim of the game is to win. Some want a welter of excitement every day but the tactical side can be appreciated too.

You have to remember that managers , and likely most players too, couldn't care whether they entertain us or not.

They are playing to win Sam, no medals for attacking football and going out in the quarters.

i have said it before and will say it again , the report wont improve anything because teams can still hand pass the ball fifty times in a row or kick the ball back to the goal keeper from the halfway line ,

in under age football in clare up to u17 level the rule is one hop one solo and no more then one consecutive hand pass , if these rules were introduced at senior level it would solve a lot of problems

I haven't read about any of the ideas to improve the game, but watching couple of the games yesterday, I thought that there were times when players were within kicking range but decided against it, probably because their management team has told them only to kick easier points?

What if there was a 1pt zone, and a 2pt zone for slightly further out and to the sides? Make it more advantageous to try to attempt harder points?

First half yes but the second half was far better.

Donegal Louth bang average? Ah here. Nip and tuck for 60 minutes and some of the best scores of the year.

was listening to the Dönegal Louth match yesterday and commentary . The match was QUIET boring to watch BUT the commentary/commentator was even worse. He/ theydid ABSOLUTLY nothing to make it somewhat interesting . Eg Two instances:-

(1) The two Louth corner backs got a yellow card each at the exact same time. That came out of the blue as per what was shown on the TV. The two ‘boys’ in the commentary box completely ignored it and did not even speculate as to what it might have been all about. They both showed a complete disinterest .

(2) There were the usual number of free given but there was on particular free given that what appeared to be a COMPLETE NON - INFRIGEMENT. The two ‘Boys’ had an opportunity to say what the free was given for but said nothing.

The above two instances would make the commentary more interesting and also help in explaining the rules of the sport, how it is played, etc. Roy Keane, please come back. The whole commentary was one big long drool

The idea that players are inferior now to what they were 20 years ago is a nonsense imo. The players are better in every way, but the fact they are so much more advanced in terms of physical capacity and tactics means that the ability to express skill is hugely compromised. Players might have looked like they could 'kick better from distance' 20 years ago when they had more space and less defensive responsibility in a game context where possession and scores were not as highly prized, and therefore each kick was less pressurised.

Whatever problems the game has currently, it isn't because the players are less skilled on average than their peers of yesteryear.

The best solution imo is to limit the amount of players who can be in a half at any one time. You have to leave 3 players minimum in a half at any one time. This isn't ideal of course, but nothing is.

Ultimately the issue is everyone wants to win, everyone is fitter and more organised, and certain coaches broke the seal ~20 years ago on how packing defenses and valuing possession could lead to championships. Suggested rule changes need to attack the core tactical change, rather than the increased technical skill and ability of the modern player to reliably retain possession.

Players today bricking it when 15 metres in front of goal and handpassing it backwards.

Armagh of 2002,Kerry in 00s Tyrone in 00s, Dublin 6 in a row and Galway in 2001 would all beat these teams hands down.

The team I feel most sorry for is Mayo cause their team from 6-8 years ago would win a few AIs now.

Just cause they are "physically" in better shape does not make them better players.

Yeah look, fair enough. I think the players can most certainly do it better, but 1) they are discouraged from attempting the type of scores that were routinely attempted in the 90's; 2) in the 90's it was far more 1 v 1 in space situations 30m from goal

We don't see as much scoring from distance and its natural for the mind to take hop, skip and a jump to 'the players are worse than they used to be'. But we can agree to disagree on that, obviously.

I'm arguing the players are well capable of kicking long scores if they get the opportunity sir.

It's not even subjective it's pretty much what even older generations are saying