Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

if the Dems believed their own hoax they should have run someone else ;-)

RFK had a worm in his brain, ffs. You couldn't make it up. I agree about Biden, though - his debate implosion was truly spectacular. It doesn't really matter that he got a bit better as the debate went on or that he sounded notably better at his rally the following day. What's going to be doing the rounds in the next few months are those damning pieces of footage where Biden looked lost, confused and mumbling, losing his train of thought mid-sentence. Staying on is only going to cause a rift in the Democratic base that further damages his electoral chances.

It wasn't a 'bad night' as Obama claimed. Biden looked like he wasn't capable of living independently. That's more than a 'bad night'. That's just scary. Any hopes that Biden has of reelection essentially lie in enough Americans realising how bad Trump is and could be if he got back in office. I agree that even a Biden drooling on himself in a wheelchair and occasionally asking his wife what time Beau is coming home from school would be better than Trump, but I don't think that's the way enough Americans would see it, and it's really such a depressing alternative anyway. Why are the Democrats so fixated on getting in their own way?

While there'll be other contenders, it'll be Whittmer or Newsome. My money is on Newsome and Whittmer as VP. He *looks* presidential, which as far as I can see is all that most of America cares about. He's also a straight white man. Sure he has some skeletons in his closet, but you have to compare him against who'll he'll be up against. He's a saint in comparison.

He's a senior figure in the party. He'll be one of the decision makers as well.

Why do you think he's a snake btw?

I was aware that RFK had had a worm in his brain and that this has caused his voice to be raspy. He also holds some views which are outside conventional thinking which may also hamper his chances of getting on the ballot to run. It speaks to the dearth of talent in America that it is a sitting president facing off against a past president in a presidential debate.

I'm curious as to who boardsies think was the last truly decent US President and why.

I'm not saying it's that unusual, but surely to god America can do a little better for a candidate than someone with possible dementia, or is a convicted felon who incited an insurrection, or had a brain parasite. Just a normal 2.4 children guy like the old days.

"Fight like hell"

I must be still hallucinating when I see that clip of his speech on Jan 6th.

That's the trouble about Trump fans though isn't it. They'll make all sorts of damning accusations against the "other side" while simultaneously believing any old shite "their side" wants them to.

Trump is at the heart of the Jan 6th insurrection. Pretending otherwise is just lying to oneself and everyone else.

I can’t help but find it amazing the weight of importance and care people place upon the US presidential situation. Biden is this, Trump is that.

A charade that people invest so much time and emotional energy into.

It's about a fair bit more than Trump v Biden. Trump's backers have a plan to gut the US civil service and restaff it with Trump loyalists. The end game is to get rid of the checks and balances on the US presidency and concentrate as much power within the office as possible. Given Trump's constant refusal to say whether he will accept the results of elections that don't go his way, we can conclude he has no particular regard for the democratic institutions of the United States other than their ability to give him power, but he would chuck them out the window with prejudice when it comes to their ability to take it away.

A second term would not be a rerun of the first where he was fighting with his cabinet all the time. There would be a clear focus and direction this time and a mood for retribution.

I know you know obviously the media narratives

There are two sides to that question. Decent as a person, or decent, as in did a decent job. I think at heart, Biden is a decent person who mostly has his heart in the right place (Gaza is an issue). I think Obama was a decent person who tried to make things better for the average American.

The problem lies with the three sand castles they have in the legislative structure. (Sand Castles not pillars because they crumble all the time). Doing a decent job as president requires either the three sand castles being under control of the same party, or having parties that want to do a good job for the country and not just themselves. If the Republicans were less focused on birth certs and doing everything in their power to impede Obama he could have done a decent job.

What are these normal range of outcomes?