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Luas Finglas

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    #662
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675222#Comment_121675222

    There isn't, but trains could terminate at Broombridge, then go as far as Glasnevin junction to turnback. They can do so before the new station location.



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    #663
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675465#Comment_121675465

    As I've said before, I suspect they are cautious about the Finglas Luas and the possibility of stupid people and politicians to suggest extending it to the airport instead of building Metrolink.

    Otherwise it would have been done with Luas cross city was done. I suspect once Metrolink construction starts, they will turn attention to it.



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    #664
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675823#Comment_121675823

    I really struggle with this one, how could anybody possibly think the two are comparable given you'd almost need a fish-hook style curve to the Airport. Surely folk don't believe this is a viable replacement.



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    #665
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121676540#Comment_121676540

    Considering the amount of times that I've already heard it/read it, it is not an impossibility. Anyone that crosses this forum would either know better, or soon learn, but the vast, vast majority of people out there have no idea about this stuff at all. I'm plagued with people in Clontarf complaining about how the government is permanently taking away the ability to drive through North Strand into the city, well over a year after construction started.

    Anyone that's even remotely interested in this stuff does not understand how the average person thinks about this stuff. We joke about crayons, etc, but honestly, it's not far from the truth.



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    #666
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121676540#Comment_121676540

    Decision makers aren't familiar with the geography of the northside, they think finglas is 'near the airport'



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    #667
    orangerhyme
    Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675823#Comment_121675823

    I think the simplest explanation is that it's not a priority.

    Finglas village has good bus service already.

    Also resources are stretched with all the other projects.



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    #668
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675465#Comment_121675465

    Getting metrolink, dart+ and bus connects to construction is the priority, there are no additional resources till that is done.

    Cork luas has effectively been renaged on along with parts of DART+ so Finglas luas would do well to at least still be an active project in the background



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    #669
    spillit67
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    Because they are determined to get the Metrolink started. The canards about Luas extensions to the airport or DART Spur being “quicker and logical” are still too regular to feel comfortable.



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    #670
    Steve Allen
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Steve Allen


    Per Irish Times, apparently plans for Finglas Luas line have been submitted for Government approval, with Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) ready to apply for permission for the Finglas line “immediately"

    https://www.irishtimes.com/transport/2024/06/29/plans-for-next-dublin-luas-line-submitted-for-government-approval/



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    #671
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317347#Comment_122317347

    You did well to spot this article!! Buried in a Transport section that you wouldn't know existed, no where to be seen on any main pages.

    What is it with Irish Times and their complete disinterest, or contempt, in Infrastructure matters?!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/transport/2024/06/29/plans-for-next-dublin-luas-line-submitted-for-government-approval/



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    #672
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057866432/luas-finglas

    It's worth referring back to the first post in this thread, six years ago. There is a certain similarity in terms of messaging.



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    #673
    spillit67
    Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭spillit67


    I think there’s a difference.

    There has been an unsaid delay in progressing anything Luas related for a long period now due to MetroLink (and DART+).

    It was intended for ML to move forward with planning in 2020 and then Covid hit followed by the ABP issues. I am guessing that the messaging was then that Luas Finglas would progress after ML got through the planning stages.

    The fact that we are seeing stories on this moving forward now is positive across the board.



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    #674
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122320798#Comment_122320798

    Hopefully it means positive planning news is due to emerge soon from ABP regarding Dart+, Metrolink and the remaining Bus Connects CBCs. The Greens will be doing everything they can to push these projects prior to the General Election.

    Let's see....



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    #675
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    » A spokeswoman for Mr Ryan said he would like to see early development of the Finglas line and “would hope to be in a position to look for Government approval for it to go to planning as soon as possible”.

    Route for this was published in July 2020, just after he took office. I find it odd how this has taken so long to progress, it could really have been an easy win for the Greens moving this along faster over the last 4 years.



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    #676
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321070#Comment_122321070

    Between Metro, DART+and BusConnects I assume it was just a function of resources to not get it over the line? It's a fairly unprecedented number of PT projects.

    Or they just dropped the ball I guess, always a possibility.



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    #677
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Yes, if the Greens prioritised Finglas Luas, then they'd be dealing with headlines that read "Metrolink delayed by four years due to transport minister intervention".

    There is no capacity in TII to do anything other than what they have done.



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    #678
    orangerhyme
    Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122320811#Comment_122320811

    It's frustrating how slow things are considering we've a huge surplus.

    We should be building infrastructure in the good times.

    I think this will be brilliant for Finglas and will spur development and gentrification.

    I hope they're planning to extend it over to Ballymun Metro in future also which seems like a no brainer.

    Two of the most deprived areas in the country are now getting modern public transport infrastructure.



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    #679
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,748 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321070#Comment_122321070

    There is a world of difference between simply choosing a route and doing the detailed planning and design work to make that route happen.

    The folks at TII who would normally do this work are all busy working on Metrolink.



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    #680
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321473#Comment_122321473

    It also sounds like work has continued in the background, as they've said the planning application is ready to be submitted, imminently, pending government approval.



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    #681
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Most likely Luas Finglas was paused in order to let metrolink get ahead of it, otherwise if both had proceeded at the same rate then less well informed people would’ve said “Hang on, why don’t they just extend Luas to the airport instead of having a Metro?”



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    #682
    spillit67
    Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Quite.

    I am quite hopeful that the post 2042 map I posted on the other thread actually resembles not far off that by 2042.

    I think we are going to see a sustained delivery of transit now. Of course there’s the economy….but in functional terms we are getting the right things together to deliver transport at more of a clip. Metrolink is just very important at the moment, but we are already fairly good at the Luas (I just hope the last 7 years hasn’t lost that in TII).



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    #683
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    No conspiracy theories needed (and as shadowy cabal leaders go, lads: Eamon Ryan? Seriously??)

    @spacetweek has the explanation that best fits the facts. Maybe if the teams involved, and ABP, we're twice the size this could have proceeded in parallel with DART+ and Metrolink, but at current staffing, something had to give, and it was Luas Finglas.

    Once the ROs and tendering are sorted for those projects, pace will pick up on this one.



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    #684
    VonLuck
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    Are they planning a large bridge to go over Tolka Valley Park? I imagine the valley is far too steep for the Luas to be able to travel on grade.



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    #685
    orangerhyme
    Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324972#Comment_122324972

    There's definitely a bridge planned to go over the Tolka River but not sure how large.

    Also a bridge over the canal.

    I find this project very exciting. Hope they can get it moving fast.

    I hope they plan to extend it to Ballymun Metro also.



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    #686
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    This site should answer most of the questions above:

    https://pc1.luasfinglas.ie/#/home



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    #687
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326815#Comment_122326815

    Thanks. I didn't realise there were drawings available! Looks like it's just a bridge over the river and the rest follows the existing gradient of the valley.

    image.png



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    #688
    bikeman1
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    Trams can tackle quite steep gradients. Even modern EMUs on full rail lines. Just think of the line up to Charlemont or Steevens Lane. Slow moving up steep climbs.



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    #689
    Rulmeq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335039#Comment_122335039

    They can, but I was on a Luas on my way home during one of the snow periods we had (it was pre 2008), and the tram got about half way up, and stopped, he kind of slid back down a bit and then applied the power again, and barely got to the top. I guess that must be very close to the limits of what's possible (although it's at least a 5m climb over a very short distance) - well at least when there's snow and ice on the tracks.



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    #690
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/transport-infrastructure-ireland-seeks-bidders-for-500m-luas-tram-contract/a1394059524.html

    TII are tendering for new luas rolling stock to replace existing but also to provide for new lines in Dublin and Cork. The tender is for 15 years, very optimistic of them to think that we'll get any new Luas infrastructure from them within that time given the sorry state of transport development in this country.



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    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,748 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362077#Comment_122362077

    The tender is likely a framework, similar to how they do with the bus orders, where they don’t have to actually order all the vehicles, they just place firm orders year by year and can cancel the rest if they change their mind.

    Like with the Enviro400 buses, the framework was for 600, but only 280 firm orders were placed and delivered as they switched to the full EV buses instead.

    BTW the DART+ order is a similar setup.

    So this order tender will most likely be a firm order to replace existing Luas trams + maybe a few extra for the very likely to go ahead Finglas extension and capacity increase plan for the Green line. The rest are likely more speculative.



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