Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

What?
Are you standing in a historical blind spot?

Nobody is demanding, MLMD made the statement she wouldnt attend

If MON wants to say she represents all communities in Northern Ireland, then explain how she does that by attending events celebrating the killing of people?

In terms of the statement "young Southern voters" don't give a damn, based on what? a few online trolls seem to be the only one making this declaration. Any person is able to check into history, they can see what happened and not believe the spin pushed out by PSF which some lap up.

You seem to think all young people are stupid and don't care about the past, or have any interest in finding out the truth about the past. I don't have that opinion at all. Like all generations you will have some people who will lap up the noise and others who will find out for themselves.

Based on polls clo clo

You don t have to be stupid to at a young age give more priority in your choices to being an upstart at the polling booth versus caring about a troubles era you either know nothing about,don't want to know about and certainly haven't lived through or possibly your parents either

Bashing @FrancieBrady here day in day out is all well and good but its not real for most under 40

They look at policy,sound bytes,tik tok and the like

So give us all a break with the annoyingly repetitive troubles bashing stuff

It cuts no mustard

It happened,we are where we are,Sinn Féin are pirrouetting into something more amenable to younger voters

You're going to have to deal with them on a policy level

Daily ribbing of Francie on his Republican beliefs ain't debate

 101 posts of nonsense

This is your go to way to shut down discussion. You get challenged on a view and you pull on the 101 runners and bolt.

Then you get up on the high horse and lecture people for trying to shut down discussion when they are just answering your post.

On your point about the young, you assume again that they will care about the same things you do. A young person informing themselves about the past is just as likely to see it the way somebody from SF sees it, or somebody like me sees it or how a Unionist or dissident sees it. It isn't a given, in other words.
With homeless figures reaching new records just yesterday I think 'young people' will not be flocking to FF or FG anytime soon. Their vote is all to play for.

P.S. All elections that reject the sitting government are 'revolt' elections.

Maybe someone has an answer to this question that has been bugging me.

How come all the 'policy experts' on here have never spotted the flaws in the policies that have caused the housing and health etc crisis's here?

Why would you trust their take on any party's policy?

You are demanding what people post on this thread, that's not been called out a chara

If you and Francie want to have your own discussion I am sure you can use PM's.

Any other issues I suggest you contact the mods as I already stated.

Im not ruining the thread while you and Francie have little pops at posters in the hope of a reaction so you can run to the mods to get banned from thread. It's all been done before. Try a new one

I'm not demanding anything,that is a job for mods.

I am just calling out the constant gutterniping,tat titting and off topic stuff for which there are other threads

I am not 'a chara' either which is a phrase used as some kind of taunt to Republicans

Taunting competitions arent discussion either

You'd do well to read the forum charter

It's being broken multiple times in this thread including by me for the very simple act of calling it out

This is meant to be a serious discussion forum,it's not after hours or a playground

Health and Housing are issues in every country in the Western World.

Your post was about policy flaws.

My answer to that is that there are Macro issues going on in housing and health, that make these problems nearly impossible to solve, given that every Western nation has similar issues.

You are not interested in this discussion, but you want to bang on endlessly about the power swap, calling the electorate stupid, and talking about the past and of course MM…

That is SF to a tea to be honest. You are better off having a policy debate with a chimpanzee than a SF supporter.

No, because the point is, that electing SF won't fix the Macro issues at play, because talking policy with a SF supporter is like debating with a Chimp.

Pointless, as you have just proved.

I didn’t say anything about SF policy.

Exactly. You never talk or debate about SF policy.

Odd considering you are their most vocal supporter on this platform.

Oh right, apart from the thousands of posts bemoaning the FFG, the powerswap and all that jazz, on the SF forum no less.

I guess its the only thing SF supporters have given their lack of policy in key areas.

To be fair he didn't say that

Policies aren't cures

Show me a democracy in the world where there aren't housing problems ?

And while we are at it,a country where a change of government has fixed it ?

This is the realisation thats Permeating so many voters and influencing voters now isn't it,crisis fatigue

Heres Germany,our chief banker for a decade after the 2010 crash and the EU's largest Economy and do you know we're being told by opposition parties, little old Ireland can create housing nirvana apparently,its nonsense, fools gold policies

https://www.dw.com/en/german-housing-crisis-finding-a-home-like-winning-the-lottery/a-68840785

Why was the government's policy on health raised on the SF thread? We all know the answer, deflection, distraction and whataboutery.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2024/06/29/northern-irelands-healthcare-crisis-does-it-point-to-irish-unification-or-closer-cooperation/

"Cancer care is a notable success story. The number of cancer centres was reduced from 30 to eight, the quality of care has improved greatly, and Ireland now compares well with the better EU countries. The Health Service Executive is trying to develop similar integrated care strategies for other major diseases."

He is talking about the South when he says that. Contrast that with the North, where Sinn Fein hold the purse strings in Finance, and the increases given to health are miniscule. The conclusion is that Sinn Fein would make the health service down here worse. Let us examine how Sinn Fein have failed to deal with the healthcare crisis in the North and worry about what it means down here. The UUP are on the verge of walking out of the Executive because of the SF refusal to fund the health service properly.

Turning back to the subject of the thread and away from the whataboutery and deflection, the opinion poll at the weekend made interesting reading (and possibly explains the increase in deflection on the thread). Sinn Fein, as the local elections saw, are not the most popular party in Ireland any more.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0630/1457435-opinion-poll/

FF and FG together have 40%, with the Greens they have 45%. The current government getting re-elected is now within the margin of error, or even without that, the favourable bounce of a ball on transfers. That means the subject of this thread is even more unachievable. Very very difficult to see a path to government for Sinn Fein.

So now the government 'can fix' the issues.

Seems @markodaly @pureza think these problems are Europe wide and 'policy isn't a cure for them' or something like that.

BTW the latest polls show that the LE and EU elections are different beasts and that a GE will be a different ballgame.

If it means a free house for anyone that wants one but doesn't like the idea of working for it,then the resulting cost would make the government doing that a 1 term wonder

Never offered in any policy document I know of, can you back up?
Everything you say after that is suspect tbh.

I can see now why the policy experts here have never been known to criticise or find the flaws in actually implemented policy.

Did you see the word IF

SF in my locality anyway,dunno about yours are promising everyone a house when out canvassing if asked

If the rest of your reply is an attempt to ignore the lack of builders to cure supply (or nurses to cure bed shortages),you are selling a pup

Its certainly a part of the canvass

Everybody knows this

Everybody knows this

Oh yeah? Everyone?
Any back up for that one?

You can easily disprove that poster's assertion by producing Sinn Fein's detailed housing policy, explaining how it differs from the government, and why it will work and how it can be afforded.

Until then, I accept his view, as I have also heard the same stories about promises from Sinn Fein canvassers. I hold the cynical view that Sinn Fein policy is deliberately obscure so that canvassers can promise things that MLMD can deny in government.

I asked, how come you and others have never spotted the flaws in many government policies to fix the issues in health and housing.
SF's policy or lack of it, as the case may be, is not the answer to that question.

As regards me and my view of their policy, I cannot say it often enough, I pay scant regard to manifestoes and policies, I judge by actions when in power.
Clearly the government parties have had long enough, my mind is made up. It's time to let someone else have a go, if they fail or don't do better, try again.

I'm certainly not defining myself as a myopic policy analyst anyhow.

I do protest the continued dominance of power here by two parties and how power swapped between them and now is shared by them . In fact my desire is to see that ended by whomsoever is capable of ending it.

Populations over the years who paid scant regard to policies and manifestos and waited until actions in power ended up with Syriza, Likud and the Nazis as their governments. Never ends well.

If those are your standards, your undying support for Sinn Fein is now clearly understood.

If you want to vote outside of the two main parties, there are a number of great options - Greens, Labour, Social Democrats - you don't have to vote for Sinn Fein.