Brian Dowling and Arthur Gourounlian expecting first baby.

by that logic anyone woman widowed should have had her sons taken away from her!

And likewise daughters removed from single fathers.. no matter how they ended up in the situation

batsh!t crazy logic

Many men don't. Despite being very sexual and sexually active I have never had either a wet dream OR erections out of context. Many men don't. Some women don't have periods either - shock horror. Rare of course. But they exist.

While I might seem derisive about it I have to admit I am genuinely baffled AND intrigued by this "if you haven't done/experienced it you can not help/explain it" concept you have. Do you apply this to everything in life? Or just reproductive topics? Do you genuinely believe the mechanics of female toilet products is beyond the mind of men? Or are you being tongue in cheek and having a laugh?

I'd be curious to know what aspect of anything I said is "woke". Though it's not a word I tend to understand or use. Seems to mean much different things today than it did when it was originally coined. But yeah I do often get called extreme right, or extreme left, or some other label when I express opinions. Though how I can be all of these things at the same time - I have never worked out. I mean I was called a right wing extremist once solely because I mentioned I teach my kids how to operate and shoot rifles since they were around 8/9. Is that right wing? Beats me. Pro homosexual marriage (left? woke?) against transgenders going to the wrong places in things like sports (right? Fasscist?). Seems no one knows what I am :)

I fear people just throw out a label because they can not actually reply to anything you actually said. "I can't answer that so I will just say woke. That'll show them how with it and clued in I am!" :) It's hilarious really. Or pathetic. Or both. I dunno.

I think its fair to say your a one off taxAcruel

Well, that's your problem, and thankfully you have absolutely no say in who gets to be a parent,

I wonder would you have the courage to express your "problem with it" so openly, if you met a couple like Brian and Arthur face-to-face?

Would you be brave enough to say to them that they are unsuitable to raise their girls, to their faces?

Somehow, I doubt it.

You will have to take it up with someone who is "advocating" that then. Since I am not I am not sure why you mention it to me.

All I have said is that there is no reason on offer by anyone here to think that most parental configurations are any better or worse overall than any other. And when asked for any reason to think this is so - people just go on and on about periods. Which is just plain weird.

The studies I quoted (75 of them give or take) find no difference in well being or outcomes. I have seen no difference in well being or outcomes. And aside from "Its just the feelz" no one here has suggested there will be any difference in well being or outcomes.

So no one needs to "advocate" for any such thing. It appears things are just fine whatever combination of parents a child gets and we can all leave well alone. Seems all these kids are perfectly ok as is. Mother/Father, Father/Father, Mother/Mother or any other combo.

all depends on the circumstances doesnt it.

No i haven't. I said advocating for someone other than a childs parents to parent them is creepy. I didnt say adoption was creepy, but it could be i suppose depending on the circumstances, that is a different discussion.

i'm sure you do.

what about step parents? That creepy too?

And if it’s unnatural for someone other than natural parents to raise a kid what do you suggest we do with orphans? Leave them in group homes?

picking a specific pretty negative scenario doesnt prove anything. Its like me saying would you be happy for drug addicts to raise a child thats not theirs.

I was speaking generally as the poster i was replying to appears to see no specific value in biological parents raising their own children.

Interesting take. I'm one of 4 boys, we were essentially raised by our mother. Dad was on the scene but worked all the time so my mother was the sole go to in our house for most of my childhood and youth. I went to her about everything, dad was as useful as a glass hammer. If I'd talked to him about an intimate issue or something to do with sex he'd have found a reason to leave the room. My friends old lads were the same for the most part. By your logic my wonderful, open minded, kind hearted and supportive mother should have taken a back seat and left me to fend for myself. Never heard anything as ridiculous. I have mates who grew up in single parent households, their mothers steered them onto the right path or they turned to older siblings or friends. By the looks of it Brian grew up in a house of women, these girls will have no shortage of people to turn to if they need a woman's input.

im not sure that you do, but to be clear, what i think is, in the majority of cases, the best people to raise a child are its biological parents, ideally in a committed relationship.

Are there scenarios were its better for the child for people who are not the biological parents to raise he or she, of course, but i am speaking generally.

🤣 no back peddling, i have been very consistent, so you agree with me?