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Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Would have hoped he chose somewhere more stable than Watford. You gotta go back to Javi Garcia who was appointed Jan '18 to find a manager who lasted more than 50 games as manager.

    First of July now so hopefully things start to pick up on the transfer front for our lads. There's even been a distinct lack of rumours up until now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,022 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Just googled to see who's their manager now - pretty surprised to see its Tom Cleverly. Hadn't even realised he'd retired! Seems he took over at the end of last season as interim, and they've since kept him on. Given that he only got 2 wins in his 9 matches in charge, i expect he won't last very long there with the way they do business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    John Egan has left Sheffield United. Would be surprised to see him in the EPL again, so hopefully a decent championship club



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Alan Browne officially a free agent as of today too. Lack of rumours around Egan I'm not surprised given he's still recovering from a serious injury, but given Browne's situation I thought he'd already have a club sorted before officially becoming a free agent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Tough on Alan Browne and Egan but hopefully they will find clubs

    JOS or the new manager might need to 'thank the lads for there services in the green jersey' and go with the younger players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,633 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Are the Pozo family still in charge there. Be lucky to see September out of they are….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Theyre 29 and 31 respectively. If theyre the best in their positions, no reason not to pick them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,022 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Egan's probably dropping down the pecking order with so many good CBs now - Browne still worth his place though given our weakness in midfield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Assuming they end up getting regular football at a level above Wrexham.

    Remains to be seen where they will end up, but good enough still for the Championship, if fit (Egan)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Of course to both. It naturally depends on how good they are next year. I don't think they should be phased out (or just not picked) based on age as the poster was suggesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Xander10


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    one of the worst days football I remember. Ronaldo, Lukaku both actually painful to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Three year driving ban and £27K fine for this waster. Also not his first time being found guilty for drink driving offences.

    Absolute joke that O'Shea felt he deserved a call up last month. Should never pull the green jersey on again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    There's literally no punishment in this for him. The fine equates to a weeks wages for him and he'll just employ a driver on minimum wage to bring him wherever he wants. If he wasn't a wealthy footballer there'd be a prison sentence attached to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    https://x.com/blogirish/status/1808449646513041717?s=46&t=oJEBWzdtp7tPw9gBG2Q_oQ

    Sadlier hitting the nail on the head here. Lots of Irish football fans who were so happy to see the back of Delaney that they’ve failed to realise how utterly incompetent the successors have been. Heads should **** roll.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    nope what people failed to discover is the Delaney regime fell down over a lack of corporate governance so when the association hit choppy waters financially it exposed this lack corporate governance and the old fai fell apart.

    The new association has the required level of corporate governance but is even more crippled financially which is not the fault of the current FAI. The financial model of Irish football being a failure was never addressed and a sticking plaster bail out was provided in lieu of addressing the actual problem.

    the actual problem, said plainly, being there is NO MONEY IN IRISH FOOTBALL.


    Hence there’s no money to improve anything and Ireland are in a bust cycle hoping for a qualification to a major tournament to take us into a boom cycle.

    In some ways different, in other ways same as it ever was.

    That’s what actually is going on. The chances of the likes of Richie sadlier being spot on about anything in Irish football is remote. Jonathan Hill’s head already rolled anyway.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭bren2001


    The new association has the required level of corporate governance but is even more crippled financially which is not the fault of the current FAI.

    The new regime had the CEO claim €11,500 in lieu of holidays because of a supposed joke in an email. An email nobody can see because it was redacted at the committee meeting up to and including the social media tags were redacted. Under his guidance, they didn't draw down €500k of funding awarded to it in 2022 because of an administrative error. Under his guidance, they put €4.35 million in jeopardy over failure to meet the governments gender criteria after they didn't get the proposal over the line at an EGM but, thank god, did get a different one through in time. Of course, all from a CEO who didn't even live here to run the operation.

    Yes, the current FAI lacks money and yes, Hill took over an organization that was crumbling. Hill did a better job than Delaney. That does not excuse the main failings they have made including not being able to appoint a manager. The situation hasn't changed, they still have no money and still have to appoint someone. Hill did not do a good job. The current FAI are not doing a good job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭athlone99


    One major difference this time is that the CEO didnt survive and wasnt protected so thats progress to me. Delaney had the FAI by the balls for years and at least there is some form of governance now. Yes Hill turned out to be not great but it is progress. We have no money and I dont see much changing for 20 years until there is real investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭bren2001


    No doubt they've made progress but there's a long way to go.

    Sadliers point isn't one you can point to the Delaney era and blame. It isn't long term investment like academies or crumbling infrastructure, its the failure to be able to appoint a manager. Kenny lost to Greece over a year ago, at that point everyone knew it was over, 12 months later, we're no closer to hiring a manager (officially into the 9th month without doing it). That's not good enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Yeah i agree but thats more of a Canham and Co issue rather than an FAI issue. Would be less of an issue if Canham had just shut up and not set himself timelines so he set himself up for a failure and for example if its JOS who gets the job Canham should be shown the door. If and this is a huge IF they get someone of a higher caliber then he might save face.

    Canham and Hill did do some good work like the facilities survey and the proposal to government and to me there are bigger issues than the mens Senior Team that need to solved first. People need to see past the mens senior team as putting everything into that and all the focus on that kept the focus from everything else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Unless I am reading this incorrectly, the good work Hill did in 4 years is a survey and failed government proposal? Thats not a particularly fruitful reign. That's not a good job. The proposal is only a feather in the cap if they get the €500+ million which there is zero indication they will.

    The first thing Hill needed to do was turn around the image of the FAI and keep negative headlines away. His failure to move here, the holiday pay "scandal", the gender quota headlines etc. all failed to do that. I dont think anyone could say his time as CEO was a success. I'm not actually sure you are trying to say it was either tho.

    IF they get someone of a higher caliber then he might save face.

    If he pulls a rabbit out of a hat and gets a good manager, no doubt the last 9-12 months can, and likely will, be overlooked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    We're a month out from a point where a manager should really be in place to prepare for the England game.

    The theory that the FAI were waiting for the end of the club season is clearly crap and the one that they were looking to assess out of work managers after the Euros is getting shakier every day seeing as the sides we could possibly take a manager from are knocked out now and the likes of Sagnol has moved out of our orbit.

    There's an inevitability now about Canham appointing JOS and getting out of dodge before the sh1t hits the fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,022 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Doubt anyone thought they were waiting for the end of the club season specifically, but more so after the Euros.

    For better or worse, I reeeaallyy wouldn’t have expected any movement for at least a couple weeks after sides go out. No manager is going to shït all over their return home by jumping ship publicly right on the heels of a homecoming.

    Maybe they’ll get someone, maybe they won’t, but it happening before the tournament’s dust settles was an unrealistic expectation for anyone to hold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Good news for Adam Idah…seems like he will sign permanently for Celtic. He was struggling in the championship I feel and was not good for the confidence. Hopefully now he can kick on with this signing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Was getting nowhere with Norwich so hopefully this move can get his career back on track. A couple of seasons playing in a team that's gonna win trophies, some European experience, and scoring goals will hopefully see better moves down the line.

    Similar it would be good if we get some news about Parrott soon. Back at Spurs training atm and Alkmaar have sold Pavlidis to Benfica for €18M. Hopefully they're interest in signing Parrott as his replacement is genuine. Would be a good move for his career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭athlone99


    The Facilities survey etc are just elements of some good work they did. You should take into account that proposal to government was the first time the FAI went to the government with a plan and have since put forward a plan for Academy Development. So despite it being something that should regularly happen it was in fact the first time the FAI went to the state for proper help and with a plan. That's more work in 3 years than in all of the previous history of the FAI so yeah i'd class that as a big win…… Despite the jokeshop of the mens senior manager.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    How is there no money in soccer in Ireland? It’s the most widely participated sport. The regional associations are making money out of the new clubs and new teams and girls and women playing soccer. Sponsorship from businesses wanting to be associated with soccer will come, the FAI need to get their act together.

    I can understand resentment from government and business to be reluctant to get involved with a sport that just acts as a feeder set up for what used to be the top flight in England but is now increasingly the second or third flight and a couple of other leagues in other countries. The interest from the public is there to make soccer in Ireland a viable sport with its own decent quality league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Signs a four year contract with an option for a fifth year. No mention of a fee but probably not much as they only had to pay training compensation.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Mod: I have deleted a range of posts that were off topic and not suited to this thread. Please stay on topic of the Ireland team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,774 ✭✭✭eire4




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    It's amazing really. You go to any regional GAA club in any given county, even junior clubs, and they'll have state of the art facilities, a bar, astro turf pitch etc. Yet the top football clubs in the country, broke.

    It is the most participated sport in the country, but the GAA gets bums on seats via the league and championship, people follow their counties in the thousands. Yet from a spectator point of view, the money football should be getting goes accross the Irish sea most weekends. How many potential millions do we lose every weekend to Premier League clubs?

    If that money was in the game here, it would be booming. On top of that, FAI holding back money from the clubs and game for years.

    GAA also tends to get a lot of benefactors putting money into county teams and clubs.

    But Ireland as a national team are finished, and will be a lower tier country for the forseeable future, unless people follow the game here. England aren't developing our players anymore, too many players from other nationalities there now.

    The League of Ireland clubs need money to invest in proper acadamies or we're done. Scotland even have the Olf Firm and a stronger domestic league, Wales even have Cardiff and Swansea with acadamies to develop players. We don't have that.

    The amount of underage players in my area playing for Shels is incredible. But alot of it is volunteer based. The clubs need funding, and people to go and watch the league here. Until that happen's, we're not coming back to where we were



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Trey13


    I think support for the league is steadily on the rise in fairness. Attendance figures are on the rise for the majority of clubs over the last couple of years. Virgin media are doing some great work televising games. We just need to keep going with it. Duff, Kenny, Bradley - there are at least some personalities/big names coaching in the league now. Think we need a team to make a deep run in Europe now to cast some wider support now. Shels would probably be the best in terms of a bandwagon as Duff would be box office.

    The FAI could do more to support the league though in terms of academies, facilities etc.

    When you look at the Euros and see countries like Slovenia, Slovakia progressing, it hurts that we seemed to have fallen behind them.

    Overall, I agree that improving the domestic league is important for us but we won't see the benefits of that for the international team for 15-20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,600 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Anyone watch the documentary about the abuse of the Irish ladies team in the 90s? Fairly shocking stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Yes,

    But we are not allowed to discuss it on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭mjsc1970


    Yes. Watched it. Pretty grim altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,938 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Agree 100%. You won't find any Irish rugby supporters, for example, supporting English teams. Which is why the domestic game has resources and is so strong.

    All those lads travelling to give their money to English teams every weekend during the PL season -- if a fraction of that went in to the game here it would be in much better shape. I don't see it changing as the culture of supporting English teams is too embedded. It's generational at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Just want to add what a wonderful job the FAI are doing at keeping the manager hunt under wraps. Not a peep out of them. A true sign of professionalism.

    The FAI are playing chess while the rest of us are still playing checkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    Brian Barry Murphy has left his job at Man City. Wonder where he will end up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Stepping away from the Man City U21s job you'd assume he's doing so to get back into senior management. We need more Irish coaches getting into management.

    Between the top four divisions in England and Scotland there's a grand total of four Irish managers employed. Mark Kennedy is employed again but at L2 level with Swindon. In Scotland Jim Goodwin is back in the SPL but the other two are at L1 and L2 level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    hopefully he will have seen Marescas trajectory and thought he would like some of that. Surely league 1 or maybe even a championship job for him, his contacts at city to get loan players might be worth its weight in gold.


    Just noticed Graham Coughlan is also out of a job at the minute, pity that too. He nearly had his moment in the sun knocking united out of the fa cup early in the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The Welsh FA have managed to carry out the process of replacing a manager, in an efficient manner.

    Maybe , interestingly, Willy Sagnol was on the short list. Perhaps he really still is the target. Would the FAI have the funds for such an appointment 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    what does a drink driving offense have anything to do with playing soccer ? He got punished by the authorities, whether anyone feels he should of got punished more is irrelevant.
    Everyone has there demons, doesn’t matter how rich they are, everyone loved Paul McGrath and the likes of Gazza, not saying it’s the same situation but at the end of the day, i genuinely don’t get how anyone could make such a massive judgement on someone that they don’t even know



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