Are-ireland-and-leinster-the-biggest-chokers-in-world-rugby ?

Oh great…this chokers/ bottlers bullsh1t all over again. If we say 'yes', will you go away with your myopic mis-assessment of high level sport. You have already identified there are two nations that are difficult to beat in this sport. NZs best performance in 4 years put us out of last WC….and then I guess they 'choked' afterwards cos they didn't win the tournament.

Mcilroy, Leinster and Ireland have won major tournaments. Have they some win rights we do not know?

"Yes, but it's the same type of style though, with the way they play," he (Burger) suggests. Its called playing rugby…something SA have turned their back on, admittedly with success. Hope it doesn't last, seriously ugly wins the last two WCs. Did the article address that?

No the back to back 6n champions are not chokers.

Oh right, so the sport is competed by a collection of chokers, except one non choker every 4 years (WC) and yearly (EC). That's a convenient assessment that wraps up the entirety of the events in those competitions. I am glad we are done with this assessment - I feared it had more depth and we would be here for at least another 6 or 7 minutes. Probably more convenient you restricted it to only the last 2 years for both!

Sorry actually, please don't bother.

It's also down to the fact we've been probably the most screwed of any nation with the RWC draw with the exception of possibly Scotland.

Two RWC's in a row where we had to beat another top 4 side regardless of where we finished in the pool in order to get to a RWC SF,

It's part of the reason why I think anyone who uses the recent RWC as evidence that Ireland are "chokers" are either trolling or are just desperately try to find any evidence to fit their narrative, this is even more apparent when they dont label France bottlers despite the fact they also went out in the QF's.

Like do people Seriously think England arent bottler's just because they got to play Fiji in a QF rather than NZL/France? And even then they nearly screwed that up.

Who said they were the litmus test? And also if Leinster coming 2nd 3 times in a row makes them a choker then does that mean everyone in the world other than SA and everyone in Europe other than La Rochelle in 2022/2023 and Toulouse in 2024 are chokers as well?

It seems a very particular criteria to be considered a choker and seems to conveniently suit you which makes me very skeptical of everything you've written.

15 competitive teams lol id say it isn’t even 8 prob more 6.cricket has more competitive nations too by the way.england,sa,West Indies,India,Pakistan,Sri Lanka,Australia,Nz, and every one of those teams could win a World Cup.

I don't think Ireland are chokers, I think they have advantages during 6 Nations and Nov Internationals on player welfare and cohesiveness. When it comes to World Cups this advantage is negated by the long preparation other countries get over a full summer. In the main we have done a good job organising our resources. I will reserve judgement on Leinster until after the end of next season, if the current squad are lucky with injuries they should do the double with the addition of Barrett and RG. They do seem to tighten up in close games.

Just looked at the RC too. SA have 11 wooden spoons. 11! The highest number in the competition. They’ve only won the thing 4 times. NZ have won it 20 times! Ireland have won the same number of 6Ns titles in the last 10 years as SA have won RC titles ever.

So SA have a great record at RWCs but an incredibly poor record at senior level (club and international) in every other competition. So 4 times they’ve gotten themselves up for the big one and outside of those handful of months have failed to deliver any form of consistency or success of at all. And their clubs have been a downright failure. But somehow Irish teams are the chokers! Hahahaha!