Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

The st. Gerard's teachers spring to mind.

You also have those crazy people who got vaccinated many times (no adverse effects reported, for the anti vax loons):

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html

Absolutely untrue .

A giant condom ? Lol .

But whatever rocks your boat 🤣

I don't know.. I never expressed such extreme views as yours above 👀

Either way think it's best to leave you ..eh ..to it .

It is well understood from flu vaccines that creating an effective vaccine against a rapidly evolving virus is an on going process, there is no one shot universal cure such as the polio vaccine. This was well known when the initial covid vaccine was rolled out and was not oversold as a miracle cure. It did what it claimed to do, improve immune response and slowed the spread of covid. Only the ignorant claim otherwise.

I didn't take them. Had covid twice. 2020 and 2022. Was very very mild both times for me and needed PCRs to confirm both times. I don't discuss with people and say nothing when people talk positive or negative about the jabs. I think it's personal but am aware that by saying you didn't take them people are very judgemental on you as a person.

90% effective based upon a static COVID virus, not the ongoing mutating real world virus. No one could make the claim that a cold/flu type virus would be stopped with a single COVID vaccine. We have lived with flu vaccines for decades at this stage and we know how they behave and how vaccine development works. There is no static flu vaccine and neither is there a static COVID vaccine.

Honestly this is basic stuff.

Context. Goal posts arent being moved well they are but actually by you - you are comparing two totally different contexts and have cherry picked the words out of context. The words do not come from the same person therefore they do not reflect the same standard either.

Flu and flu vaccines have been around a long time. They could be seen as inadequate given that timeline and that flu should be more tractable therefore.

I would also say the quotes you excerpted about the flu article itself shifts meaning. It talks on one hand about effectiveness then references flu deaths.

So what is it talking about? Is it concerned about effectiveness at preventing infection or death?

If effectiveness only concerns infection why mention deaths in the same paragraph and not merely cases?

But the figure quoted is not its effectiveness at preventing a severe infection. So it seems even within this one article there is a lack of clarity. What is the actual goal? It is not clear.

Covid vaccines were developed in response to a novel virus. They are terrific in that context.

So what is the basis for excluding effectiveness at preventing a severe case when assessing how terrific or adequate a vaccine is? There is none.

So now we come to the point.

All the available data shows covid vaccines to provide significant protection against severe covid and death. This is long lasting and against changing variants. This is real world data and impact not semantic rabbit holes about 'effectiveness' that can be argued until the cows come home.

Also importantly at the time covid vaccines were rolled out, the data shows significant protection against infection - this waned but in the context of 2021 this was important to get pandemic under control and lift restrictons.

This was the basis for vaccine passes for high risk activity.

So there is zero reason for anyone to 'ashamed'.

The fact is that flu vaccines did not fit your definition of how vaccine effectiveness was measured, it was always given on the basis of its effectiveness at reducing overall negative outcomes. It is you who are spouting bullshit here.

Seems like you didnt even read the article. So you actually cited an article which undermines your entire line of argument.

So this article is from 2012 and it says things like:

Vaccination failure can be defined by a variety of endpoint criteria (e.g. disease prevention, disease mitigation or immune response) [8], [9], [10], [11].

Each specific vaccine has a specific prophylactic goal and is used with a specific intent which may be country- or programme-specific.

What is the vaccine supposed to prevent (infection, any severity of disease or severe disease)?

I think that conclusively establishes your claims about how effectiveness was defined pre covid as false.