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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I've also heard Tawny Newsome is on the writing team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I haven't seen the Magicians series but heard mixed reviews. I'm willing to give them a pass on that because the main criticism of the series was the unlikeable characters. I read the books and the characters are actually hateful. Not one single likeable character with ANY redeeming characteristics. I finished the books out of pure hate and would not recommend them to ANYONE.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Right, onwards to Search for Spock this time: definitely a distinct drop in quality compared with Wrath of Khan, but also not as egregiously terrible as I might have feared. Still dreading V but of the "bad ones" this was surprisingly better in places and hate to say it but didn't feel as slapdash and scruffy as WoK; clearly a few more shekels were allowed.

    A very mixed bag: like WoK the strongest parts were the emotional wringers the crew (well, Kirk and McCoy really) went through; all the immediate post WoK stuff on Enterprise had a strong pulse of grief through the whole thing; while the actual heist and escape from Space dock tonnes of fun that offset the palpable gloom before then. Wish the movie also ended with Kirk coming to terms with the price paid for Spock's return: the death of his son and his beloved ship a huge price yet his last line on the topic rang false and glib. Kirk had been trying to reconnect with his son, and seemed genuinely anxious about roads not taken, and to make up time. The script was too eager to get through gang back together and kinda steamrolled the one-two punch.

    But ye gods this was also Trek at its most magical. And that's not meant as a compliment. Vulcans turned into this race of wizards and mystics didn't work for me - and it's funny that was the path taken to cobble together an excuse to resurrect Spock. The Genesis planet causing the corpse to restart was a cute, and weirdly plausible idea - but using McCoy's brain as a USB key was just silly.

    Oh and Christopher Lloyd was a lot of fun for what amounted to a token villain role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    Search for Spock has for too long been maligned. It was not as strong as 2 or 4 but it is a very good Trek story in and of itself. Has a few missteps, yeah, but all Trek films do.

    It was just cursed with an odd number

    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    On my way to see it in the Cinema today. First time seeing it in the Cinema. Can not wait. Its one of my favorites after "The Undiscovered Country"which is my favourite and well I prefer it over TWOK but without TWOK we would never have had it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Despite it’s failings, I feel we owe Search for Spock an awful lot when it comes to subsquent development of Trek.

    Not least of which, they had the balls to kill the original Enterprise, years before TNG was even in development. So the whole idea of having lettered replacement Enterprises wasn’t there yet. The Enterprise was gone and for all we knew, gone forever.

    We also got a major expansion of the Trek universe with both the Oberth Class USS Grissom and Kruge’s Klingon Bird of Prey. For the first time we didn’t just get modifications of TOS designs, the Trek universe now had examples of ships designed for other functions.

    Finally, Christopher Llyod’s Kruge feels like an excellent prototype for the Klingons we would see throughout the TNG era. Through him we see all of the different tropes they’d use later.

    ST:III seems to be by far the least cursed of the uneven numbered Trek films. If anything it is an excellent middle act to the «Spock Trilogy» that sits in the TOS movie catalogue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Probably because I saw so much of the shows out of order I never copped that was our first look at a Bird of Prey (which was famously supposed to be Romulan)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Well that was good but I think I enjoyed TWOK more in the Cinema and then TMP more than that. Weird.

    Most rows had someone in them. I would say the small cinema was nearly full.

    Much more in this showing then TWOK one I went too. Now just need ST:TVH in the Cinema and "The Undiscovered Country"

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Who here thinks if the USS Grissom had of had a confident Captain and if he had beemed Saavik and Marcus onboard before the klingon attack that the Grissom might have survived?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Search for Spock isn't as much of a cinema movie as the others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭eadrom


    @Rawr

    We also got a major expansion of the Trek universe with both the Oberth Class USS Grissom and Kruge’s Klingon Bird of Prey.

    and the bucket of bolts Excelsior and space dock! Search for Spock invented a lot of Star Trek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Those movies were the real bedding in of Star Trek "canon". TOS was all over the place and doesn't really match up to the other shows a lot of the time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ironically though, the mere existence of the move kinda already undercut the impact of the Enterprise getting destroyed to an extent? Spock was coming back, a definitively dead character resurrected and kinda lessened the impact of the ship blowing up as if Sock could return, surely we'd see the Enterprise again (despite the Bigwigs saying otherwise). Again I think the end should have run with that sense of At What Cost? rather than breezily handwaving it away with fúcking group hug on Vulcan. Really sell the idea that Kirk gave up everything for his soulmate; obviously it would have ended on more of a downer - but the events were there on screen all the same.

    The space dock looked so good, and like you both said this single movie was responsible for an insane amount of the series' iconography.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    No its certainly not but still great at home di and I am still glad it was made and that I got to see it on the big screen :)

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What is that actually and is that definitely earth, cos I may need to change planets if that shít lives here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie


    I forget people are averse to and don't like using 'X'. Reply from thread below.

    That is a marine flatworm (Polycladida) engulfs a crab at low tide.

    Flatworms get their name because they are just that – flat worms. They have very primitive bodies, no internal body cavity, very few organs, they breathe by simple diffusion of gases and digest their food through direct contact, having first excreted digestive juices onto their food.

    They inhabit deep seas, tidepools, coral reefs, mudflats, and other marine habitats. You are most likely to stumble upon a marine flatworm during an intertidal walk or while snorkelling or diving in a coral reef.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Twitter doesn't show the thread anymore for anonymous users so couldn't see the detail... and ain't gonna sign up to the service now after Musk turned it into an even bigger shítshow.

    But yup, gonna move planet now. What's Riza like this time of year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Fuk the Green party. We need to destroy the environment to keep these feckers down.

    Can't be have carnivorous blobs going around evolving all over the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    Isn't it Risa?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie


    @pixelburp But yup, gonna move planet now. What's Risa like this time of year?

    Federation News Network (FNN) reports that there is civil unrest there and fears the Risa's technologically sophisticated weather control system could be hacked again! 😀



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Voyage Home next: wow, but that was silly with a capital S. Like, deeply and unashamedly as silly as I remembered it; certainly a gigantic whiplash of tone after what had been pretty straight-laced and often introspective first three films. Nope not here, it was Saves The Whales turned into a gigantic time-travel comedy adventure.

    Kinda weird watching an early-doors environmentalist piece of media, given where things have gone in the interim 40 years. It all came off so goofily earnest, so naive that with a little awareness we'd suddenly change our ways. Christ that didn't work out, did it?

    Still, by all accounts this has to rank high as the Trek movie series at its most indulgently fun; pure entertainment with absolutely zero attempts at profundity or characterisation. It knew its assignment and got the héll outta dodge, no fat no distractions. I'd put it beside First Contact for Trek just being in full-on space adventure mode, and to hell with the ethics.

    If I had a Trek based quibble it'd be how Chekov's communicator and phaser were left behind, and in the hands of the US Government of the 1980s no less. Obviously it was of no concern to the writers & had no effect on the future - but still. I know of agents in Starfleet who'd have been unimpressed with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,803 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Well the same paradoxical argument applies to the Scotty/Transparent Aluminum scene...perhaps it's how the tech was eventually "invented".

    Great film, unashamedly lighthearted, but perhaps a welcome respite after three deeper dives for some? It rounds off the Spock trilogy very nicely for me, before the biggest misstep of the TMP era happens...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh and I'm also fairly sure the marine biologist hugging Kirk as he transported would / should have caused a terrible accident if the Tuvix variety 🤣 but the tone of the film was so playable it absolutely snuffed out the part of my brain that might quibble at all.

    But yes, next stop Final Frontier: I might take a break cos I think I'm gonna need all my energies to watch it. I've heard so much about that film, and to be fair some of it wasn't Shatner's fault at all. But oof, yeah gonna need to stir myself into watching it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,803 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Yeah V, it's gonna test even the most hard line of Trek apologists really. It's got some decent bits....the Cybock & Trio exchange has some weight to it for instance. But it's got some serious cack in it too, dafuq with the Uhura dance for example.

    To be fair, it seems Shatner's vision for the film was kinda stolen from under him with budget cuts etc. Though he also had some nuts ideas for it.

    Thankfully, the TMP era ends of a damned high note with VI. Wonderful film, a real love letter to everything that came before it (and fittingly, what came after it for a long time too.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Star Trek is full of "touching" beams. Tuvix involved a spliced flower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Yeah tbf, if the transporter can't handle a bit of skin to skin contact, how's it meant to not mangle your internal organs. Loads of instances in TNG and DS9 where people are seen beaming up carrying injured crew members and the like.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Handily, some Mormons called to the door earlier so I used some judo and Vulcan Nerve Pinch, and you're right, we had a riot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Trailer out for Prodigy season two. Can't sleep its too warm 😞

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I think if you watch no. 5 in the right frame of mind you'll be okay.

    It's obvs the worst of the original cast movies but there is a lot of decent stuff in it and some good ideas. I'd suggest reading Shatner's Trek Movie Memories if you get a chance, it really gives you an idea what he was going for



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It is kinda funny how Shatner only even directed the thing in the first place 'cos he was jealous his rival-friend Leonard got two goes at a movie.

    I don't doubt there'll be some little nuggets I'll enjoy - I always had a fondness for the Row-Row-Row campfire scene 'cos it gave the trio a chance to be themselves; it's interesting how often McCoy kinda got sidelined in the films just for the Kirk-Spock dynamic, when really the magic formula of TOS was the three characters circling each other, not Kirk & Spock alone. Maybe DeForest Kelly didn't have as large an ego as the other two and was happy to get pushed aside?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    Kelly's age might have had something to do with it, he was ten years older tan Shatner and Nimoy. If I member right Shatner and Nimoy organised a disproportionate fee for Kelly in STVI because it was probably going to be his last acting job.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And looked every year of it, even in Voyage Home at a "mere" 66; that's a nice story though about VI and the others looking after him. It's funny how in the great TOS fallouts I'm always here of Shatner, Nimoy and latterly Takei, but never Kelley. Indeed he seemed the least interested in speaking publicly, or preferred to keep a low profile?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    66 in the 80's though was so different than today.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Final Frontier checked off, more out of obligation than intent if I'm honest; and hey to spin it in a positive light, you could see there was a lot of ambition in this thing. The plot was ludicruous but it bopped along from one set piece to another, with plenty of sets, locations and a grander scale than had been seen since TMP. No surprise the studio slashed the budget 'cos compared with prior flicks you could see there was an attempt at a broader scope here.

    It was, however, still utter bollix of the highest order: you can't blame Shatner for strikes & studio enforced budget cuts but you can blame him for the absolute mess visible beneath all the extenuating circumstance. Such hubris to demand directing & writing credits 'cos his best friend got 2 chances & noteworthy how Shatner wasn't allowed near the series again. But there's always more to talk about a spectacular failure than underwhelming mediocrity.

    McCoy's flashback with his father was quite something and fairly powerful; he had been short-changed through the prior movies so this movie gets praise for pushing the core trio's relationship to the absolute forefront. I still remain baffled at how Uhura's fan dance was ever conceived as a good idea; though hadn't realised or remembered she and Scotty had "something" going on. Pairing up Chekov and Sulu was fun and wish we saw more of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Shatner and sci-fi writing are odd when they’re put together.

    After ST:V and being rejected, Shatner proceeded to write books for his Blade Runner clone «Tek Wars» which kind of smacked of him writing a veichle for himself. Sure enough, whenever there was a live-action version of his series, he’d somehow manage to end up on screen.

    I think he was trying the same when he wrote a spinoff to ST: Generations called “The Return”, where Kirk is brought back from the dead by Romulans using Borg tech (or some such fan fiction). My guess is he was trying to give the Trek writers a way to un-dead him into the TNG-era…but I guess they weren’t interested :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,803 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Never knew about his writing of a continuation of Generations....while the legend that is Kirk certainly deserved a better send off than what happened, that 'resolution' sounds like something the writers of Discovery would lick their lips at...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Rawr



    Shatner did a good few Trek novels. Pretty much exclusively featuring Kirk.
    And I guess fair play, it’s an honorable way to earn some cash and add to Trek…but in my head it always smacked of him trying to convince the Trek heads to give him another go, and that this was is main motivation to write, as opposed to the creation aspect. I could easily be wrong, it’s just the impression I get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Jesus the bottom one is an audio book read by him.

    Must take months to get through a chapter.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh I don't think Shatner has done anything without it calculated for his own fame and profile; I know they became friends in the end but it must have really got under Shatner's skin that it was Ninoy the heart of the show, but also got to direct 2 of the films. Good job Stewart wasn't so prickly over Frakes' gigantic CV of directing.

    I also meant to say that of all the Shatner performances, it was interesting how this was by far the worst. All the tics and ham we know of him was here and then some. No doubt because he was running his own ship and probably received zero good direction and notes.

    Oh and William Shatner's Tek Wars; ha! Well that's forever in my mind etched as nothing more than a joke from Father Ted.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I tend to remember Tek War from the selection of banned books at Springfield Elementary:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,372 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    By the way, Prodigy S2 is on Netflix now. Just watched episode 1 of season 2. Make sure you use the double thumb up rating to send a message we want more of this.

    This too shall pass.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I hadn't even realised it got a TV adaptation: sought some clips and wow wow, you don't appreciate just how good SciFi has become 'til you remind yourself how bad it used to be. Bloody 'ell but it was some trash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It also had a video game in the 90's made on the same Build-Engine that was used on Duke Nukem 3D.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner%27s_TekWar

    Apparently was an alright FPS game, but it was loaded up with video briefings from Shatner after each mission where he complains about how violent you've been. Seems he couldn't even resist that the temptation to also appear in the game.

    Also, it's not just "TekWar - The Game" it's William Shatner's TekWar, signed by him, and with his picture on the box art.

    Bloody hell Shatner, we get it already. You made a thing…



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