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A New Ireland

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It's surprisingly common for anti immigrant politicians to have foreign partners funnily enough, like Farage has married Irish and German women, and his current girlfriend is French. Someone needs to ask him what he's got against British women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    "But if as likely FG are removed next election"

    On what possible basis do you think that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The oracle that is our daughter, late 20s, votes and says she's been watching FG in power since she turned a teenager… represents a new generation who are fed up. Last time FG were in opposition, she was in primary school. Anyone not seeing this must be getting old and not noticing the years slip by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm in my early thirties, always vote and don't see it to be likely that there's gonna be a massive shift. Care to explain what this shift will be like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Until the voting have nots outnumber the haves, not much is going to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    first generation that wont do better than their parents? even up to the nineties you could buy a starter house for a punnet of strawberries and you could look at your parents as not having the same opportunities as the young

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep I'm very much so a part of that generation however that generation is not showing signs of voting for the newly formed parties of loons. They're still more likely to vote left than right. So they're more likely to be a SF vote than anything else.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/young-voters-likely-to-vote-for-sinn-fein-european-elections-6294828-Feb2024/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    my kids are still latter teenagers and hvnt voted yet so Ive yet to see how their politics will play out.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I wish him well in his endeavours, I've seen some of his videos on social media and he speaks with passion and common sense. Whether he and this party will be the answer I don't know, but there is definitely need for a credible centre right or right wing party to counter the current parties sliding further and further to the left.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah so you think much the same in reality. Why do you say then that FG are likely to be re elected?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You are right, they don't want an alternative nor are they ever likely to want one - over the last century or so countless parties have come and gone. Ireland has a very sophisticated electorate and a very sophisticated form of government which is very much shaped by the fact that they make the strategic decisions about the direction they want the country to go in. And as for a one party system, well FF and FG have always been of a similar mind, it's just the civil war stuff that stood in the way. But Ireland's PR system does produce a very representative outcome.

    The fact that you don't really understand this and keep coming out with the usual old loser hogwash about masters in Brussels etc… means you will not sell the anti-immigration stuff to the majority of the voters - they see right through it. Over the years I have spend elections knocking on doors in Dublin's inner city, West Cork, and Mayo and that has convinced me of one thing - the voters are very well capable of figuring out what they want and what is best for them and the country. I often don't agree with them but that is their right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Augme


    I assume you mean people on the dole aren't look after better than working people. That's one of the trickiest issues for a right wing party. It's no surprise a significant amount of push back from communities is in working class areas. I doubt they'd be too thrilled about a right wing party decimating the social welfare system, even if they did get rid of the foreigners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,502 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Latest opinion polls have FG in a strong position to be part of the next government. SF on 24% look like they will have nowhere near enough support to form a coalition government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That's not answering the question, which parties are likely to be the next government? If SF end up in government, it will be a coalition. It won't be a coalition that includes these random new parties. And anyone your daughter's age is more likely to vote left rather than racist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    That's me anyway. I want sensible policies. What I don't want is the other baggage that comes along with voting right, such as theocratic-led policies and treating women like dirt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    "Ireland has a very sophisticated electorate"

    Knowing who will fill the potholes for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭sliabh 1956


    You are spot on there he is interviewing people on his You Tube Channel who all seem to have very extreme right wing views he seems to think that their voices need to be heard and he is the person to enable them. He still is offering his Financial expertise to folk on his site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes it'll be a coalition almost certainly - between who, who knows.

    All I can observe is the winds of change are about and those of our daughters age will vote and will vote ABF = anybody but the present f****s. FG are going to take the brunt of this as they are simply past their sell by date for the moment. Three terms and they still want more - no way………..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Another clown school of feckers and egotists.

    Let 'em come, as the MORE fractured the bonkers right wing extremist vote is, the less likely they'll gain any representation, and the better for those of us who are serious about this Country, who pay the taxes and contribute positively towards society.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    " Ireland has a very sophisticated electorate"

    That's funny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah another chap that wants to slow the economy down, forcing later retirement age and longer working hours, in order to counteract our aging population, ah i ll pass!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,797 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Some of you who branded the party racist should watch Kevin's latest video on Tiktok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,448 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,262 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The only thing less appealing than bigoted cranks is bigoted cranks on TikTok.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    God forbid you could actually sum up what he said for us here on this mainly text based website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yawn, you do realise that this is just another far right group that will fail to even be noticed in the general election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Leave a link and I will have a listen to whatever Sharkey had to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,761 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I've seen that poster make that point a few times recently.

    We're so sophisticated that people just voted for the same party their parents voted for rinse and repeat for generations.

    If we're so sophisticated, why do we keep putting people in power who overwhelmingly act in a manner that's detrimental to the majority of people?

    The first page of this thread had a lot of "what are his solutions"? Type posts, but in asking that question you're holding a new political entity to a standard that is never applied to any of the established parties because they have no bloody solutions either and typically just cause more problems.

    The real issue here is that it's a black man who grew up in Ireland stepping out of the lane people feel he should be in because of his skin colour and espousing conservative ideals which cannot be tolerated.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Michelle Smith the swimmer is not a cheat.

    On the other hand Michelle de Brun the swimmer … is now a barrister so … eh … um … anyway, where's the funding coming from for all these right wing parties ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,761 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    You'd swear that these disparate right wing parties tare swimming in cash with flashy PR firms behind them the way people ask "where's the funding coming from?" about them.

    They're all poorly funded organisations, I've yet to see a single one of them well funded or with any type of slick backing from savvy individuals or organisations.

    One argument is that the far right in the UK are funding the far right in Ireland, but they're poorly funded themselves, none of this conspiracy makes any sense.

    The left are awash in public money in Ireland, NGO's to beat the band, money getting thrown around like confetti. Talking abwthat means you're far right now though, the gatekeeping continues.

    Ideally we'd put the more extreme flavours of politics in the rear view mirror and spend money on things that actually matter.

    Poor governance leads to a breeding ground for extremism, that's the problem in Ireland. There are so many things wrong here that haven't been dealt with for generations and it only gets worse and never better. If the supposedly reasonable politicians continue to fail on these issues they grant more space to loons.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    A racist with a sense of entitlement because of his accident of birth rather than an obligation to do the country some service is what destroys the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    We're so sophisticated that people just voted for the same party their parents voted for rinse and repeat for generations.

    If we're so sophisticated, why do we keep putting people in power who overwhelmingly act in a manner that's detrimental to the majority of people?

    Ireland should be very proud of how far its come in the last 50 odd years, and the governance of the country is obviously a large part of that



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,262 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    What do you mean "accident of birth" , I hope you dont think that souls just wander around the earth and could have been born anywhere? lol

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Nordner


    Can you give me an example of any Left Wing economic policy we have seen since the Celtic Tiger Days? Since the financial crash all we have had is austerity heaped on austerity while the banks and insurance companies were bailed out with public money. Ratings agencies, big accountancy firms and government regulators, who were meant to guard against such a catastrophe, suffered little or no consequences.

    Even during , Covid19, the plebs got a few bob to stay at home but it was the big corporates that really won out. Receiving billions in subsidies while family businesses went to the wall.

    As regards Climate Change, The Greens, have utterly failed to bring people on board by hitting people over the head with carbon-taxes, banning solid fuels, expensive retrofitting schemes and the wholesale privatisation of the electric and renewable energy market.

    The so-called 'Left' bar one victory against Water Charges, have been content to focus almost exclusively on 'social' issues for the past decade or so. Government parties have jumped on this bandwagon too. Being pro-immigrant, anti-racist or an LGBTQ+ ally costs nothing at the end of the day.

    It has been painful to watch Mary Lou and her compatriots turn themselves inside out on these topics in a desperate bid to retain the middle-class vote...in the end they wind up looking like flip-floppers and hypocrites...which is a damn shame...as they are, truly, like it or not, the only viable alternative to the status quo.

    The establishment are delighted to see votes going to Independent Ireland and their ilk as it does not harm them one bit. It actually strengthens their .position. Simon Harris now leads the most popular party in the state despite their mismanagement of housing, health and immigration.

    If Harris and Martin head the next government it will be a sad reflection on the Irish electorate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Mommabear3


    So Sharkey lost the room! No sign of him or his new party.. 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Kevin Sharkey never had the room. Or any room

    Kevin Sharkey made the worst mistake a dumb person can make. Like John Waters, or Paddy Cosgrave, or Peter Casey, he believed his own publicity.

    Kevin Sharkey is one of life's losers. And its a stain on any Councillor that nominated him for the Presidency on that failed occasion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Can you give me an example of any Left Wing economic policy we have seen since the Celtic Tiger Days? 

    Lower public transport fares.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    It's private contractors employed by the county councils. Right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What would your preferred choice be? Answer to only include real options :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You're just jealous that she is a bigger whiskey expert and connoisseur than you.

    Can you pis$ whiskey? No? I didn't think so. Whiskey galore my ar$e!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Can you give me an example of any Left Wing economic policy we have seen since the Celtic Tiger Days? 

    • Free gp care for kids and over 65s
    • Extended parents leave & benefit (up to 9 weeks now)
    • Increased childcare subsidy
    • Introduced cap on drug payments
    • Increased social welfare, pension, child allowance
    • Introduction of rent pressure zones

    Just the ones i got off the top of my head. Then theres the obvious ones like pro immigration, repealing the 8th and gay marraige which may not strictly be economic but certainly left wing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Nordner


    • Free gp care for kids and over 65s -

    Over 65s have had access to medical cards for donkeys years now - 'Free GP care for kids' only up to age 8.

    • Extended parents leave & benefit (up to 9 weeks now) -

    just bringing us in line with most of the rest of EU

    • Increased childcare subsidy -

    WTF can afford legit childcare? Everybody I know have their kids in the black economy as far as childcare goes.

    • Introduced cap on drug payments - whoop tee doo

    • Increased social welfare, pension, child allowance -

    Probably adds up to zero when inflation is factored in

    • Introduction of rent pressure zones -

    From what I hear the RTB is not fit for purpose and so many landlords are ignoring RPZ legislation and charging whatever they like. People are so desperate for accommodation that they just pay it.

    I probably should have re-phrased the question or stated my position more clearly…

    Basically, it seems to me like most governments in the Western World have adopted a strategy of Left Wing Social policies coupled with extreme Right Wing Economic policies. Privatization of everything they can get away with, the destruction of Public Healthcare, subsidizing private companies. Including Covid payments to businesses, Bank bailouts, public funding of renewable energy infrastructure (interconnectors etc) which can then be exploited almost exclusively by private energy corporations and hedge funds.

    It's the classic 'Third Way' bollox first introduced by Clinton and Blair. Bamboozles people. Sets us against each other, divide and conquer strategy. Meanwhile Billions are being spent on foreign wars while many powerful people make huge profits from the armaments industry and 'rebuilding' projects in the countries they helped destroy.

    it's a pretty sick system we are living under. Probably it was forever thus but it's just so much more sophisticated now. Even though the whole scam is more evident than ever, the divide and conquer 'watch the squirrel' policy seems to work on most people….



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,262 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Foreign wars? Ireland is a neutral country.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Over 65s have had access to medical cards for donkeys years now 

    No they didn't, and it's a GP card not a medical card. Medical card is over 70.

    The last couple of paragraphs of cut-and-paste rant are laughable. When did we last privatise anything in Ireland? We are pumping billions upon billions into the public health sector 'in order to destroy it' ? Covid payments - so businesses should have just been let go bust then? Foreign wars, really? Feckin' nonsense.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Irrelevant - your initial question was "Can you give me an example of any Left Wing economic policy we have seen since the Celtic Tiger Days?" and I gave you several.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Madd Finn


    If the "Haves" outnumber the "Have nots" we must be doing something right, no?



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Madd Finn


    Seriously. If you don't recognise the People's Front of Judea (or was it the Judean People's Front?) then you're too culturally inerudite to be paid any attention whatsoever.



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