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Is everybody broke?

  • 02-07-2024 5:07am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20


    Guys, I’m just wondering what’s your current situation like?

    I work and retail in the west of Ireland and here it seems there’s a new shop closing down nearly every week, and people seem to be struggling. Are we getting into another recession?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Some will be broke, some will be just surviving, some will be doing ok and some will be loaded.

    What kind of shops do you see closing down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    If they're new they shouldn't be opening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Is it when someone opens a successful coffee/gourmet burger/ice cream/etc place and then X number of copycat businesses open and Y number go to the wall in a short time as the market gets saturated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    Retail has been slowly dying for years. Got to have a very niche/specialised offering or be able to compete with the megastores on price/range to get feet in the door these days.

    The collapse of the hospitality industry in this country is imminent. It's just not competitive for what is being offered.

    Went for a lunch in an international chain restaurant, busy South Dublin location: Cost €120 for myself, partner & child, service took over 2 hours to deliver the 3 course. Mains were served barely warm, desserts clearly were frozen/prepackaged.

    We were told over and over again there were a grand total of 3 staff on site that day. This is becoming more and more normal. Don't think there will be any more covid style bailouts, it's an industry that will need to be allowed to fail and figure out how to provide a better offering to customers to survive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Eldudeson


    The amount of people scrambling for Taylor Swift, Coldplay and Bruce Springstein €100+ tickets would suggest there's quite a few people not broke!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    People can't afford a house, crammed in with the parents and house shares so money that might have gone on a deposit is going on luxuries, tickets, weekend city breaks, Charlie, what have you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    I notice small town pharmacies are crammed with staff doing nothing. They must be raking it in .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Being broke and living at home is the new normal and people are adjusting to it.

    Those tickets just mean they're not spending money on meals outside, or drinking, or shopping, or whatever else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,102 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I’m not broke… but when I priced 3 tickets to Bruce Springsteen when they went on sale they came in over €1,000 (on the Ticketmaster site).

    I’m not broke, but I’m not fcking stupid either…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,908 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Not broke, but earning 6 figures and having to budget for daily expenses like shopping etc, absolutely.
    I saw a graph showing we were in the top 2 of the EU27 for cost of living etc and I'd believe that. Our shopping costs even with migrating to Lidl and Aldi has almost doubled in the last 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,052 ✭✭✭This is it


    Were they standard tickets? I was at the RDS and Croke Park and it was around €350 for two tickets for each (premium for Croke Park). Not cheap, but not €333 or more a ticket that you were offered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    €1000 net income per week isn't big money nowadays for a family with a decent enough mortgage. Don't know how people are getting by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Its not too bad in this country once you dont need to interact with the property market. Wages are good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Who doesn't interact with the property market? You either rent, have a mortgage or live with your parents because you cant get either of the above or your extremely privileged and have paid off your mortgage or been gifted a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    The amount of barbers, Chemists, Phone Repairs and Coffee shops in most regional towns suggests that's the game to be in….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    6 figures is a lot of wage. how do people get into a situation like that, mortgage & childcare?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I don't how hospitality can keep going without a lot of rationalisation. To buy a lunch or dinner anywhere now is quite expensive, so is alcoholic drink.

    The thing is we have full employment at the moment, that won't last forever. I think a lot of people have adjusted their spending over the last two years. I would expect an awful lot of job losses in hospitality at some point in the next five years.

    My local town in the west of Ireland also has a lot of vacant retail units, but there are a number of local factors, it'd be unfair to say that it reflects what's happening elsewhere, but it might do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,314 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Significant chunk of retail has shifted online and continuing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Having paid off your mortgage is not a mark of extreme privilege.

    It means that over a period of time you have diverted part of your income into providing a home for yourself.

    Of course once you have it paid off after perhaps 25 to 30 years you have more disposable income.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    There's a need for them and that's a large part of it but deffo the pharmacies seems to be profitable

    Coffee shops will go with a downturn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    This suggests that at least some people have too much money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    This will mean that city centre medium and large retailers will eventually close in tandem with people discouraged, for good or ill, to drive in to shop.

    Clothing, shoes, hardware, homewares etc will move online and to peripheral shopping centres.

    Corner shops, vape, mobile shops, restaurants, pubs, hotels, coffee shops will be left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If you can't buy a house, you might as well enjoy the ride anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭argentum


    Large furniture chain in Dublin closed down yesterday ,Lots of people that paid deposits late last week knocking on empty doors but unless they paid by credit card its gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I dnt know, buying clothes online is a pain and often doesnt work out, I hardly ever buy clothes online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,171 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    This, and increased numbers on medical cards, chemist shop is the only retail outlet left in some villages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I live in the west of Ireland.

    House prices in my estate have risen by 25%-40% in about five years.

    There are plenty of expensive cars about.

    There is traffic congestion.

    Nationally, employment is strong, unemployment is low, profits are high, and household finances have improved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,812 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no recession looking very likely but the fact housing markets are in a hyper inflated state, helping to maintain high rental prices, and dont look like being resolved anytime soon, wage inflation remaining low in comparison, its mainly those in low waged sectors such as retail will remain to be in trouble, oh and some sectors seeing record profits, tis all good really, no recession…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think if you're in the area of retail that sells essential things, the 'bread & milk' sector then things will stay much the same. Everyone needs food and prefer to buy local services like getting hair cut etc.

    It's the hard and white goods, electronics market that is being hit with online competition. People will go to the local co-op to buy a spade as it's handy but will buy the new lawnmower online etc as it's cheaper.

    We produce goods that traditionally we sold through shops. Now it's 50/50 wholesale sales v online sales. Furthermore the number of outlets who will stock our goods is shrinking by the year. Many want to carry fewer lines and just stick to the 'bread & milk'. This has not been helped in the western counties the last 2 years with less footfall both in domestic and international tourism. Irish people loved the staycation for a year or so but are now flocking abroad again (if they can fly) and international traffic is down in the sort of people who'd be buying our stuff. If you play golf and stay in a 5 star, it's grand. If you're on more of a budget and looking for lower priced accommodation, not so much. The state has hoovered it up.

    So this all adds up to less demand, fewer sales and turnover and closures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    I feel since the lockdown the economy seems very fickle, like it's being artificially propped-up. In San Francisco, large full retail/office blocks that sold for over $67 million before covid can barely achieve $7 million today.

    There's full employment here and people are earning decent wages apparently, yet . . no one I know is flush with cash. I'm self employed and continually chasing me tail. Everything is so bloody expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭McGrath5




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    New one but happened twice so far this week: Standard recruiter "reaching out" message about some open position they are trying to fill. Both instances this week have outright offered a "pay rise".

    A) I have never spoken to these people, they have no idea of what salary I am currently earning.

    B) These are external recruiters not connected to a business but are seemingly confident they can extend whatever offer they need to constitute a rise.

    Have heard of similar desperation across other industries too. I would say there's an awful lot of "heat" in the market yet. Scarcity of skilled workers just like housing will prevent a recession as such, but a lot of peripheral industries will definitely take a "haircut".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,812 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    propping up economies is how our economies work, subsidisation is very common, commercial real estate is in serious trouble across many parts of the world, including here in ireland, valuations are being revised, all of which could seriously impact investment sectors including pension funds, dont be surprised if the odd fund goes bust soon, and possibly requires more state subsidisation in the form of bail outs……

    …the metrics we use to relate the health of our economies rarely reflect the world of the average, with many sectors currently experiencing record profits, record share prices etc etc, but with only small percentages truly experiencing these benefits, its very likely labour strikes will continue to rise, in order to try create some sort of balance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭flatty


    It wasn't, but it is becoming increasingly so. The trouble with Ireland is that whenever there's a boom, it all winds up in the property market.

    Then when there's a downturn, folk start saying "well they shouldn't have loaned me the money" or somesuch.

    FWIW, the owner of one of the very popular cafe restaurants in salthill told me a month ago that he thought people were starting to feel the pinch.

    Wages are very high here compared to elsewhere in the world, but so is the cost of living, and personal tax rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Any source for that because google isnt throwing anything up for me about them shutting down and all appears to be fine with their website etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    Would also like to know tbh. Google throws up nothing here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The younger set love Shein, in spite of them being terrible for the environment.

    If sizes don't work out, they haven't spent a heap, and the reject goes in the bin or charity shop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,658 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Its fairly crazy. I'm single with two kids. I would be on what would be considered a very decent wage (but not so much after tax!). I earn enough not to have any SW help, but don't earn enough that I can get a mortgage of any reasonable home. My rent is 2.5k a month, which is higher than what a mortgage would be.

    Ive managed to keep my bills down but shopping around every year. For me, my cost of living outside of rent is me being too hungry to cook and just getting a take 1-2 times a week. It's stupid. One less take away = a few days worth of cooking cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Yeah, I don't think it takes an economic genius to see the potential for a very hard landing when the economy turns. Prices have gone up fairly steeply compared to wages, particularly in terms of housing.

    For whatever reason we very much have a boom/bust economy, it has been the same for 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    2.5k a month is insane but all too common.

    I have many issues with social housing and the way it's currently delivered and allocated but we really need to look east at Vienna and be implementing something very similar.

    Massive investment required but the state essentially becomes a huge permanent rental agent and it provides a regular stream of income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    No, of course not. Corporate profits have never been higher!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,812 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im not actually convinced they ll be another 08 type situation any time soon, i could of course be completely wrong but i think we ll just keep motoring on, with slight ups and downs, but what we probably will continue to see is rapidly rising social and political unrest, as more and more continue to feel all of these strains in order to meet essential and critical needs such as housing etc, its very clear now, the metrics we use to measure our economical well being, have very little meaning to the average person, theyve largely decoupled now, whereby these metrics only truly communicate the well being of wealthy minorities, and everyone else feels like theyre living in an alternate reality…..

    …messy messy….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,314 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    No. one in ten households have on average €3053 of disposable income per week. There are plenty out there doing absolutely fine.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,469 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wouldn't say I am broke. I am, however, trying to save to buy a place of my own in one of Europe's most expensive cities. I do not drink, I do not own a car, I never eat out, I have a handset that I own with a cheap SIM-only contract, I do not buy tech stuff unless I really need it and I try to live as cheaply as possible while enjoying the odd holiday to Eastern Europe and the local cinema.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's still something you have earned not an extreme privilege.

    The normal mortgage payer is not a big player in the property market.

    They can lose as well as win as we found out in the last crash.

    At the end of the day they just have a home to live in when the mortgage is paid.



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