Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Seen a lone ranger park his tent down by Crofton road Dun Laoghaire in front of a hotel, think he has the right idea nice view of the yachts in the bay 😂

We are a soft touch, that there is no denying.

Everything that has happened and is happening in European countries will happen here. Within 5 years this country will be unrecognisable, and the people who called those that questioned asylum policy, Far right, will be complaining why nothing was done and why the politicians let it happen.

It’s ironic, by failing to make moderate but timely measures for fear of being labelled “far right” by the media and student politics types on twitter, they’re fuelling the far right more than anything

McEntee:

'Because I'm a double hard, kick-ass sort of a girl, I'm announcing that the following countries are now classed as safe - Brazil, India and Egypt. The fact that there are FA people coming here claiming IP from those countries, doesn't matter - We look tough and we may fool Nora and Murt in the butt-end of nowhere. I am also considering putting Greenland (DK) on this list because it's a big landmass too - ****, I'm such a tough mother…I scare myself. Knowing that no media outlet will pull me up on this pre-election stunt, is a bonus'

Does anyone ever get the feeling that no one is in charge in this country anymore??

That scene from Apocalypse now rings alarm bells….

So sad to both the The Journal and the ESRI going far-right…

Minister for Justice Helen McEntee will add Egypt, Morocco, India, Brazil and Malawi to the list of safe countries.

No Nigeria

No Pakistan

Fooking ridiculous

Whats the point?

The point is to give the impression of doing while actually doing nothing. This is classic Harris, saying all the right things gaining support but in actuality doing the bare minimum, sometimes not even doing that. Unfortunately going by the polls people are falling for it.

Also they shouldn't even be announcing these changes till the countries are actually added to the list. Maybe she will be adding Pakistan or Nigeria to the list but just not announcing it till it is done to save an influx of "Asylum Seekers" from there before the countries are added.

For sure, but as a former colony rather than a coloniser, we have considerably fewer problems in the whole area of immigration. We don't have large numbers of people entering the country from outside Europe on dual passports : passports which would give them the right to work in any job they like or to claim social welfare in Ireland. It's quite telling that the countries which are genuinely struggling with immigration issues are often post-colonial ones like France, the Netherlands and Belgium - hence the rise of right wing populist parties in those places.

Le Pen is getting 33%+ of the vote. How can the media with a straight face call one third of voters "far right"?

The actual "far right" are people who dont want foreigners of any kind in the country for any reason, even for example a Spanish doctor who moves here totally legally. That's how you know who the far right are.

People with those views are maybe 1 to 2% of the population max. The media are slurring the remaining huge chunk of centre right voters concerned about asylum fraud with the same brush as deliberate slurring strategy. Its a disgrace.

A case for infrastructural development in countries of origin in addition to the implementation of policies of deterrence is credible, though investment in development itself is insufficient and has the potential to exacerbate the issue - there is debate that infrastructural policies are capable of reducing asylum, indeed there are those that argue it will increase it. The argument being that it is fundamentally those with the economic means to migrate that apply for asylum - less the rural lower-classes in Borno and the North-Eastern regions of Nigeria impacted, economically or otherwise, by the presence of Boko Haram than the urban middle-classes in Lagos and Abuja - an increase in EU aid would correspondingly increase that demographic in EU asylum statistics unless the threshold for protection were increased in-line with policies of deterrence.

If the majority of the State’s asylum claims from Nigeria were from Borno, the region primarily affected by Boko Haram, the refusal rate would be considerably lower than the consistent 90% - 95% average that has persisted over the decades that Nigerians have applied for asylum in the State. In actuality, Borno is an economically deprived region and those impacted by Boko Haram migrate over the border to Cameroon, often temporarily. Belgium collected data on this and reported that over 50% of Nigerian asylum seekers were from the regions of Lagos or Edo - Edo being an urban, comparatively stable region. The Nigerian Government has repeatedly maintained that the asylum claims of Nigerian nationals are spurious - if the predominant argument for asylum were Government persecution that would questionable, however, it is terrorism and related civil unrest in Nigeria’s eastern states that is cited as the driver of asylum claims from Nigeria. Indeed, that those that would be eligible for asylum are unable to migrate is fairly well documented, it is the basis for the often cited statistic that the majority of refugees are resident is States that border their own. Similarly, the idea that EU aid would increase asylum is equally well documented, in academic literature it is referred to as the ‘migration hump’.

I’d imagine that is an uncontroversial opinion, a policy of deterrence consistent with the Danish model would lend itself to that. Essentially, the State has to disincentivise economic migration.