Aer Lingus Flight Crew Industrial relations thread 2024

that’s one way of looking at it. The earlier Labour Court recommendation was for a 9%+ interim settlement and the independent pilot pay tribunal recommended 12.25%. EI said it would pay the 12.25% and was willing to consider more with changes in Ts&Cs. The pilots said 25% or nothing. From a negotiation perspective, IALPA has undermined its position by unilaterally offering a reduction as it is not principles-based such that it undermines the position it has taken before now. Forsa had accepted the 12.25% or thereabouts for the cabin crew, they’ll look stupid if they support the pilots getting 25%. All in all, it’s hard to see this going anywhere without some level of work practice changes - it’s the only way to get to “yes” for all parties. The pilots can get closer to their demand, IAG can say they got something want and Forsa can say that the additional money is for the work practice changes.

A simple split it down the middle and nothing else deal won’t be suitable for anyone.

As someone who is due to fly in a couple of weeks I'd disagree totally with you around the impact the pilots actions have had. While there's only been an 8 hour strike, the work to rule has seen numerous flights cancelled daily - See here for info: https://www.aerlingus.com/support/disrupted-flights/ialpa-industrial-action/#/tab-0-options-for-customers-with-cancelled-flights

That disruption, which is very real for those that were due to take those flights, as well as the ongoing uncertainty about the continuance of the action have led to reduced bookings and general reputational damage (which will ease with time)

As for what "side" I am on, probably the pilots, despite their actions causing plenty concern in my sphere. The very fact that the WTR has caused the cancellation of as many flights as it has, would say to me that the airline have been reliant on "goodwill" to achieve its' significant profits over the past couple of years and the complete double standards of senior management inhancing their income over the past two years to the level it has gotten to is yet again another statistic as to why the gap between the low paid and the highest paid continues to increase (I appreciate the pilots aren't low paid).

Realistically, what do you envisage BALPA and SEPLA doing, beyond expressing support at a general level?

Very pugnacious post if I may say so.

You get these comments regularly and one would have to say did the pilots on holidays not know

a. that there was a serious dispute in the offing

b. who the regs regarding tickets were in these situations.

Those of the pilot workforce going on holidays on 'concession' tickets should have been aware of problems arising.

A little bit of restraint in these posts would be great, common sense and a lowering of the rhetoric dial is the answer.

A little movement from both sides is needed, a little give from the pilots on minor 'productivity' a little give from management on the 12.5% ..cuts out the relativity issues and counter claims from other unions.

Settle down a bit lads….

For clarity I was referring to the previous poster and the hit on the pockets of the pilots.

No doubt plenty of flights have been cancelled and disruption caused to the flying public.

A full 24 hour strike or longer would really mess things up and take a very long time to sort out and cost millions.