Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

Looks good on the next fund raising email. Keeps the profile at a national level.

Ultimately a nothing burger though.

except it wasn’t a gunless coup despite what you claim with what appear to be personal delusions. There is proof positive evidence there were guns involved in the coup attempt.

Good morning US politics readers. Joe Biden’s reelection team held difficult phone calls on Sunday and Monday with top campaign funders in an attempt to reassure them that the 81-year-old president should stay in the race following his car crash debate performance last week.

Besides the arguments about Trump vs. Biden, does anyone else find it utterly surreal how normalised it is that campaign donors and their opinions are so front and center in how the Democrats should proceed? Like it's not even hidden away.

With an economy the size of America's, why are donors so important? After the debate, this was brought up a lot in how it's the donors and their opinions that matter.

Feels like lobbying, but at the highest level. I find it insane frankly. They're just people with money but are given so much of a voice.

I don't recall much about it. I assume it's lobbyists etc. working to influence government.

Still a bizarre world where donors are just casually mentioned as basically king makers.

Yes, and I'm just stating that it's utterly surreal. Like you and Overheal respond and it's like "well obviously", and my off the cuff post is a response to seeing it front and center so often.

The money involved is tiny. But the effect is huge.

I'd ideally like to first see polls before I comment but here goes.

It's my belief Biden will and should be the Democratic candidate in November. The US economy is doing relatively well. The Biden administration has handled things well generally from my perspective - Afghanistan withdrawal and the slow crawl Ukraine support aside. He is the incumbent and has already beaten trump. Has the administration properly supported Ukraine, what would be perceived as a war winning President would be in a good position today.

I did not watch the debate as I don't believe there was anything to gain debating a criminal and serial liar, plainly put I would have been against debating trump as it platformed further his tsunami of lies.

What has dismayed me is President Biden has a bad first ten minutes of a debate and some of his so-called supporters, more interested in their own ego's I would suggest, are ready to throw him overboard. I have been (un)fortunate enough to go up against powerful vested interested with a committed group of like minded people. You commit, you work hard, you sacrifice, you put your ego aside to support your groups success. If you must piss on your own guys shoes, and imo you shouldn't, it's best done in private.

The difference is, the other guys side lacks morals. Power and control at any cost is their prize. It should not be handed to them so easily.

I genuinely fear the place the world is headed to should trump be victorious in November. Today's problems will pale in comparison.

Argument already being made that Trump's tweets in office are official acts and therefore must be suppressed from any trial as evidence

In essence that a POTUS could conduct any number of overt acts in furtherance of a conspiracy and none of it would be admissible, because it was an overt, 'official' act.

If it stands, any president could go on social media and officially tell their supports to come to washington for a coup - "will be wild!" - and that could not be considered by a court as evidence.

The Supreme Court just poured acid all over the eyes of the judicial branch.

Biden is clearly not fit to be working right now, at any job, whatsoever. Never mind continuing to work for the next four and half years, in the most important job in the world. I'm shocked there isn't a bigger outcry to have him step down right now.

It'll be open season for the world's dictators if Biden gets re-elected. Xi will be licking his chops.

I think a stronger leader would have backed Ukraine to the hilt and pushed Russia out quickly. And also not let Israel run amok to such an extent in Palestine.

Is it more important to support your group's success or is it better to have the moral courage to do the right thing even if it leads to a "wrong" outcome?

I cannot believe that another Democratic candidate wouldn't stand a better chance against Trump. I think it is now unfathomable that Joe Biden could win an election in November.

I also think Biden doesn't project the level of power internationally that his position expects.

It's hard to imagine him getting riled up and actually taking a firm stance about anything beyond Trump, especially after that debate. The meek response to Netenyahu and the latter's complete undermining of him is proof enough. The White House came out and argued that it had gone through weapons shipments line by line and only found one arms deal cancelled.

A stronger president would reign that nonsense in. "No no we are providing the weapons for this thing" is so weak, it's childlike.

I find it hard to believe China, Russia etc. actually respect the guy or expect him to take a firm stance to anything. If I were American, I'd vote any other Democrat, then Trump, and then Biden. And I think people around the world should logically think similar, since we've already had Trump and four quiet years internationally. "America first" is basically always better for other countries.

But logic doesn't come into it. Now it's not Biden's actual performance in the news but the supposed tyranny that would unfold under Trump, as if it's a foregone conclusion that he will even be elected.

Leading America is meant to be the hardest job in the world, unless you Trump in the background, and then what you do doesn't matter. Afghanistan was Trump's fault apparently.

"You're voting for his team, not him himself" being the newest line to justify voting for a guy who can't lead.

Basically what I'm saying is it's hard to imagine Biden going through official or back channels and warning Xi or Putin against what they're doing, or else. It's just impossible in my mind to imagine some projection of power coming from him, internationally at least. It's like he's a passenger along for ride of his own presidency.

Extremely arrogant campaign. It was as if she thought she couldn't lose, so didn't even need to placate working class voters. Having said that, she would have been better than Trump by some way, in retrospect.

What the Democrat party seem to fail to understand is that you can't always be stumping up for the status quo. They seem content to hold the barbarians at the gates rather than push them back beyond the mountains. What they needed this last four years was for someone with a bit more of a progressive vision and youth to take the country forward instead of sticking with Biden, but they did and now it looks like the country is careening back to another four years of Trump. That's if Trump doesn't manage to get rid of elections and term limits. I don't believe there is any democratic norm he would not happily tear up in order to maintain power for him and his family in perpetuity.

Trump would be mad to go to another debate. Short of actually dying on stage, Biden can only improve on his last performance. I'm in it for the memes at this stage.

you seems to be hallucinating if you think Trump would get rid of elections, I cant tell if your opinions are meant to be taken seriously or not

There are people who think trump is going to put them in concentration camps and kill them. It's all getting a bit ridiculous

it is funny in a way but also sad, this is Democrats making their own side at risk of mental illness, it is fun to watch though