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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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    #11972
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,337 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331239#Comment_122331239

    Jesus wept what a sad sack. In the unlikely event there is a god I’d be extremely surprised if he wanted anything to do with Enoch.
    An ‘ungodly man’! They’ll all have sore necks with the looking down at everyone they do. what a waste of life.



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    #11973
    Raichų
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Raichų


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324718#Comment_122324718

    uh misrepresenting the story there, it’s not a communal area, the green is owned by the person who owns the house adjacent.

    The issue there is that the space has always been used communally and the property owner doesn’t want it used as such any longer. The gentleman arrested was technically trespassing but it’s not relevant here anyway.

    Burke has several times entered the school, but even if he just sat at the gates, it’s not on and just weird. I wouldn’t be mighty impressed if a teacher in my kids school got sacked but kept showing up everyday.



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    #11974
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,743 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331218#Comment_122331218

    I suggested that a few pages back. Make trespassing at the school a criminal matter rather than civil and each breach is then a new crime.



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    #11975
    thesandeman
    Registered Users Posts: 10,330 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331239#Comment_122331239

    They sing alright.

    https://youtu.be/uIKG9yYiBbQ?si=akSb3gDqVQpvr9la

    I still can't get links to highlight. Very annoying.



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    #11976
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,545 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    From that Indo article

    "Among the surprising things I learned about Burke was that he once mounted a short-lived rebellion against his parents after coming under the influence of “ungodly” persons."

    That might explain why he's the one so utterly under Mammy's control now, then. None so pure and all that.



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    #11977
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331784#Comment_122331784

    I swear when I read this part, I got cold shivers.

    Burke’s close call with the pub was a turning point for him, he reveals. “It took several factors to cause me to see the error of my judgment and to return to the historic understanding of God, salvation and sanctification; most important, however, was the discipline of a godly mother and father.”

    Burke credits his parents with changing the course of his life. “Without them, I doubt that I would have changed course. They firmly pointed out to me the error of my ways.” Burke said that although he “came back to Lord” for a long time afterwards, “false ideas from this period of back sliding still lingered in my mind”.

    That level of control is genuinely horrifying to me.



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    #11978
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331482#Comment_122331482

    I'm more arguing for the need to have a criminal charge for Contempt of court similar to the one used to jail Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro in the US for their contempt of court for refusing to comply with a subpoena.

    The Judges I think are getting wary of simply leaving him there in definitely , which is why Justice Sanfey let him out.

    However , if they could simply apply a fixed term to his contempt then that issue is removed.

    The school apply for a permanent injunction (if they haven't got one already) and if he turns up again he gets arrested and sent to jail again for a fixed term.



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    #11979
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331727#Comment_122331727

    Simeon was in great voice but what a shame they can’t enjoy it. They look like wax work models, they have no personality



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    #11980
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,438 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331828#Comment_122331828

    The guy had racked up tens of thousands in fines, and preferred jail rather than purge his contempt, what possible reason have you to think that a lesser sentence like those handed down in the US, would be any more successful in breaking his resolve.

    By the way, Steve Bannon hasn’t given any indication that his sentence would prevent him from doing it again, in fact it is being reported in US media today that he said he was proud to go to prison and will be more powerful on his release. So I wouldn’t be holding that up as an example of effective justice.



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    #11981
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Excellent video of him, the Bro and Ma Burke outside the 'Joy extolling the great feeling of freedom to refuse to have people telling him how to behave towards others.



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    #11982
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331866#Comment_122331866

    It's not about "breaking his resolve" per se , it's about facilitating his incarceration more equitably.

    The Judges are rightfully getting concerned about the idea of him being held in essentially indefinite confinement without an actual formal charge , which is why Sanfey let him out because on balance he felt that because the school was closed he "technically" couldn't breach the injunction which was better than ongoing confinement without charge.

    My fear is that when he violates the injunction in September (and he will) the Judges might not want to send him back to jail for ~9 months until the end of term.

    However I don't think they'd have any concerns about simply sending him to jail for 6 months at a time or whatever with a definitive charge and duration of confinement attached.

    Whether they do that once or 20 times I don't think they'll mind , but they are worried about the implications of Enochs utter intransigence under the current contempt rules so a solution has to be found.



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    #11983
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,337 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I wonder has any of the kids asked the others if they really believe in that nonsense. Like in This is England when they leave the national front meeting and one of the lads gets thrown out in the middle of nowhere for questioning the crap they’d just heard.



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    #11984
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,438 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122332177#Comment_122332177

    I think you just answered your own question, what would be the penalty for going against the family? I suspect the penalty would hurt more than a stint in jail.



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    #11985
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122332196#Comment_122332196

    Alas poor Fred [Phelps], I knew him well….



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    #11986
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    In another telling paragraph, he explains his belief that to honour the Bible gospel, you must suffer. In short, life is not about enjoying yourself. “Hedonism revives a familiarity with all that Christ is against.

    “Persecution, affliction, burdens, sorrow, grief, loss and toil are to be expected. But these are transient compared to the smile of Christ. Go forth to obey. His blessing will come, and your cup will overflow.”

    This explains a lot.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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    #11987
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    “Persecution, affliction, burdens, sorrow, grief, loss and toil are to be expected. But these are transient compared to the smile of Christ. Go forth to obey. His blessing will come, and your cup will overflow.” - Enoch Burke.

    He thinks he is going to be rewarded for this. The poor fool.

    I wonder how different his life could have been, if he'd gone to the pub that night.



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    #11988
    scottser
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭scottser


    So he's been released so the school can sack him properly. Anyone any idea when that's going to happen?

    Also, the whole issue of religious types being too uptight to enjoy music and dancing has been thoroughly explored and resolved in the 80s movie Footloose, and is the final word on the subject as far as I'm concerned.



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    #11989
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,438 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122332464#Comment_122332464

    Great film, nice reference.

    As weird as we think the Burkes are, in parts of the US, they would just be locals.



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    #11990
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122327388#Comment_122327388

    Not to drag the thread off course, but here they are doing the same:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtQnOPcxxA



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