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  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭REFLINE1




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Haha ya I’d say significant enough tbh

    I think last known index was 8.8 but default for men in the classic is 18

    Probably wouldn’t have the heart to do it in the moment anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭finglashoop




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ya probably

    Do people think rules should be explained a small bit better for things like Champagne Scrambles/Classics etc?

    I’d say moreso than any other competition rules may be incorrectly/accidentally broken - things like best ball player placing their ball (even I’m not 100% sure on it), somebody putting out for their par to let another person ‘have a go’ for birdie when it’s only one score to count etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭OEP


    I don't think Scrambles or Classics are covered under the rules of golf, so there are no official rules. I guess that means it's up to the club to inform players.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Love learning things like that. Wasn’t aware at all



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Has anyone ever considering going through a full swing overhaul?

    Myself for example, I'm a decent local club golfer. Played most of my adult golf somewhere between 6 to 8. But in the last few years this has drifted out and I'm now currently off 10.1. The drift was mainly down to lack of playing time, young family etc.

    But now that I'm getting back onto the course more frequently, I'm toying with the idea of going back to basics and rebuilding my swing. When I was playing off 6 and 7 a few years ago, I would have never had a traditionally brilliant golf swing from start to finish, I did somethings quite well obviously, but there were flaws. My bad shots were bad, hooks and fats and would cost me dearly. I could easily shoot a 74, followed by a 76, then followed by 2 round in the 90's!!

    I know with a bit of work over the summer I can get back my game back to where I was at a few years ago, now that I've the time. I shot my best round of the year on Sunday and I should be happy that things are starting to thread back downwards with the handicap. The last few weeks in generally have been good. But, I know deep down there's still some fundamental flaws in me, they haven't raised their ugly head in recent weeks, but I know a round of snap hooks and duffs is on the cards. My mates are telling me that I should just get on with it, be happy because I can score well and accept the bad rounds when they come. And I understand that, I don't mind hitting bad shots as it happens to the best, I would just like to be in position where I'm fully confident on why that shot was bad, like bad shot selection, poor club choice, just put a bad swing on that one etc…

    Instead of me trying to figure out which 1 of the 4 or 5 different swings kinks I have that caused the issue. Which can compound itself in the middle of a round trying to work on some swing diagnoses. As I write this post I feel like I'm even overthinking things! Maybe I should just get one with it 🤣🙈



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭OEP


    I kind of did one. If you have access to a driving range, I'd advise doing it in winter because you need to be able to hit hundreds of balls to ingrain the new movements, and you don't want to waste a summer hacking it around. It's als hard to fully commit to a new swing if you're worried about hitting it OB or missing a green. You'll need a few lessons, monthly at the beginning perhaps, to make sure you're on track and to keep building on things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    How do you feel about your game now you went through it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    I do have very similar thoughts. I'm fighting the dreaded S's since the turn of the year. Like yourself I would be a high single digit handicapper, but my round is completely gone if they come on. I walked off a golf course 2 months ago for the first time in my life, I'd lost 6 balls through complete shanks through 9 holes and when I saw the club house on the 9th green, I had enough, I was mentally broken. I was actually playing some of the best golf I played since the COVID break up to that point.

    I'm a decent ball striker for 90% of the time, but I have some ingrained flaws that raise their heads ever now and then, and bring on a shank. Before I would have laughed it off, but now it's become such an issue that if I shank one, I mentally break and there's a strong possibility I could shank my next 4 or 5 shots, one after the other!

    The only conclusion I can come to, is a complete swing rebuild. But finding the time to put in the work required to make the change is the killer. It may have to be done, as I will probably give up the game entirely if I continue with my current state of play.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Sorbet


    Sorry to hear that. Coincidentally there was just released an excellent No Laying Up podcast on the topic this week. While it won’t be the fix I suspect it will give you some hope/make you feel a bit better about it passing.
    Good luck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    🤣🤣 2 or 3 of my mates sent me the link to it as soon as it was released. It was interesting to be fair, listening to the Pro's talk about them and how scared they're to mention the dreaded word!!! One thing that struck me was, both Scottie and Tiger spoke about how they laughed when they hit their shanks, however to them, it was crucial not to hit 2 in a row as that could cause real physiological damage.

    I found that funny, like how good and pure these guys hit the ball, shanks are a 1 in a million shot for them, yet they still stress about the possibility of hitting 2 in a row if they hit 1!



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭REFLINE1


    i listened to it during the week, to be honest i was kind of afraid to keep listening, felt like it was planting the seeds deep in my brain somewhere that might come back to haunt me 😲



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭bmc58


    I understand your pain.Been there.Was a very good 12/13 h/c with a great short game.Suddently out of nowhere I started shanking short chips.Was a laugh in the begining for my long time playing partners ,but not for me.Gave up golf about a year later.Still miss the golf but not the embarassment of shanking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 scotty_golf9


    looking to get fit for new irons but im not going anywhere, where its hitting into a simulator. I no carton house have a range but is there anywhere else that are good ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    McGuirks in Kinsealy is hitting out into a range.

    Same for Foregolf.

    You're hitting off a mat in both though



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Ah lad don't give up, hit the range, get lessons.

    Don't let it embarrass you, it's just a bad shot nothing more. Try to block it out, think positively.

    minor treak in setup could make all the difference and you'll be back playing the game you love.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 scotty_golf9


    best golf podcasts on spotify ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Depends what type you like, my favourites would be Golf Weekly, The Chipping Forecast and Rick Shiels podcast.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 scotty_golf9


    yea i do watch the rick shiels podcast on youtube. Love listening to it to be fair. Ill give the others a listen, cheers



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭big_drive




  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy


    Just looking back at my scores over the last few years..

    Double bogeys… The last time i went double free was October 2021… Even when i managed to break 80 a few times the doubles were there.

    Mad How easily i could score better by just improving this stat…😆



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    They do say its the biggest difference between a scratch and a 10 handicap.

    Birdies isn't a big difference maker, it's doubles and worse.

    Scratch average 2.2 birdies per round, but only 0.7 doubles or worse

    10 average 0.7 birdies per round, but 2.9 doubles or worse.

    So 1.5 shots per round gained vs par for birdies.

    Simplifying it to just be a double, 0.7 doubles is 1.4 shots vs par. 2.9 doubles is 5.8 shots vs par.

    So 4.4 shots shots lost on doubles vs 1.5 shots lost vs birdies



  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy


    Will have to start tracking my rounds again.

    I need to identify which proportion of shots is the main culprit.

    I suspect off the tee , but i seem to be messing up more with approach from the fairway/1st cut a lot lately.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Biggest gain in golf is to not lose a ball, that's two shots gone that at our level we can never get back

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Yes, avoiding penalties is absolutely critical.

    Was more making the point that amateurs think that low guys are making piles of birdies, when they're not actually, they just avoid the bit numbers much better



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    That’s pretty much it. I’ve played golf as low as 6.2 and anytime I played with someone I didn’t know, they’re expecting me to be this great ball striker when they found out I was playing off 6. They were all left disappointed 🤣!

    As I was not a fantastic ball striker, but I could get a driver on average 200-220 yards and most importantly I kept it in play! From there I just focused on getting something close to the green and try get up and down. Chipping was by a million miles the best part of my game. Sometimes obviously I would get something on the green and sink the odd birdy, but that’s not why I was single digit golfer.

    Your average weekend amateur golfers like us will never get consistent good scores until we learn to keep the ball alive at all costs!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Whats strange about this is a lot of the reasons some golfers remain stuck on a handicap is what I see as a misguided approach to the game and how they can lower scores. As others have said, birdies aren't the route to lower scores, its avoiding doubles and worse. Yet every weekend you'll see players of all levels get frustrated or annoyed that they didn't birdie a hole from 100 yards out. There is another element to this as well though which is that a lot of golfers are just turning up to play a round and aren't that interested or dedicated to getting better so its not that surprising that they are both surprised at how 'good' a single digit player is while at the same time making decisions and mistakes that single digit players don't make but can't make the connection between the two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Lefty2Guns


    At my club I know who the single digit golfers are, a few of them playing between +1 and 2/3. When the HowdidIdo scores come out from the weekends comp I always check to see how these guys get on as they would regularly be shooting 32+ points each game. I'd say between about the 4/5 of these lads I check out, the average amount of birdies per round would be at best 3 but very rarely have double bogies on their cards.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    I know, I have played with so many guys and if they haven’t had a sniff at a birdie putt within the first 6 maybe 7 holes they’re immediately frustrated and mentally beginning to give up on the round. And these lads would be 14, maybe 15 handicappers, good weekend golfers obviously but the mentality that you should be seeing birdie chances every few holes is madness. The whole, I messed up on that last whole so I going to take out my frustration and murder this next drive mentality comes in.

    I think a lot of it comes from watching too much PGA tour at the weekend and watching too much golf YouTubers who seemed to have a birdie putt on every hole. None of that is reality to us weekend amateurs



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