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USA 2024 presidential election

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    #572
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326345#Comment_122326345

    Only if he's reelected.



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    #573
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122325145#Comment_122325145

    Good prediction



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    #574
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326379#Comment_122326379

    Still a win overall - Definitely delays any trial until well after the Election and even if he loses he could string things out for a very long time with arguments and counter arguments about whether a specific action was official or personal.



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    #575
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324997#Comment_122324997

    Well, it was a tweet from an ex-Treasury secretary.

    The Chevron case basically will neuter federal agencies, as any decision they pass down now can be brought up in court, or at least that has to hang over the head of the agency. I imagine we'll see plenty of attempts to gut the CDC to get after mifepristone and other similar treatments. If the Court thought they were right, likely they wouldn't have put in the 'what was already decided can still stand.' That's a copout.

    Imo it's their second worst decision after Dobbs. Worst court since Taney.



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    #576
    AbusesToilets
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    The Chevron decision, along with the Jaersky case, is a win for those seeking to dismantle the Federal Administrative state. It's a massive power grab by the Judiciary, setting themselves as the ultimate arbitar over regulation.

    The Originalists on the court, once again taking powers not actually granted to them in the Constitution.



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    #577
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    I think this could backfire on Trump. There might not be great enthusiasm for Biden - to put it mildly - but the thought of giving an emboldened Trump carte blanche to do whatever he wants in office without fear of prosecution will motivate those who might otherwise have stayed at home. Whether it spooks enough as motivation remains to be seen.



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    #578
    beggars_bush
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    Shock horror. Court loaded with your own appointees gives you favourable opinion



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    #579
    RickBlaine
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326583#Comment_122326583

    That's my thought as well. Independent voters aren't exactly enamored with Trump and the idea of giving him unchecked power might push them to vote for Biden.



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    #580
    eire4
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326582#Comment_122326582

    And if comrade Trump wins in November and the authoritarian leaning Republican party both houses its project 2025 and the gutting of the federal government and the turning of the US into another authoritarian leaning Hungary. Not good for Americans and not good for the world.



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    #581
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Not surprising in any way, yet still absolutely shocking.



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    #582
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326460#Comment_122326460

    Well, given the two choices are a potential issue of federal agencies not being able to regulate (With almost zero evidence to back this up, it's not as if the US government didn't operate before Chevron was decided in 1984), and the very definite issue of some federal agencies being utter fiefdoms answerable to pretty much nobody (especially not if you're a private citizen) which has proven to be the case, and is indeed the issue with the Loper Bright case, I think there's something to be said for erring on the side of the people and not the agency.



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    #583
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326816#Comment_122326816

    Project 2025, 5G networks everywhere, fluoride levels increased in the water, Chemtrails, all on a 50 million budget.



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    #584
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭eire4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122327855#Comment_122327855

    even the Communists and Nazi's got somethings right.



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    #585
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Has the SC given Trump carte blanche to do whatever he likes if he is reelected?

    Emprison his opponents without trial? Drum up his goon squads to intimidate the judiciary?

    Anything off limits so long as he can "plausibly"(plausible to his cult followers) claim that they are somehow with his official capacity?



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    #586
    Sunjava
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326816#Comment_122326816

    As in Hungary ....the place where they are trying to encourage the growth of the native population through economic measures while trying to limit the number of immigrants coming from far away lands with vastly different customs and cultures...

    Not utopia, but where is.



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    #587
    eire4
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122328542#Comment_122328542

    Dystopia would be a more apt description of the authoritarian state that Hungary has become under Orban and his move away from democracy and towards authoritarianism and becoming a dictator. He has muzzled and taken control of most of the media. In 2013 Hungary ranked pretty low in the press freedom index but after 10 years of authoritarian rule under Orban that fell to 92nd by 2021. He passed a new "constitution" in 2011 which was really an authoritarian power grab working on ending an independent judiciary and making new electoral laws that clearly were designed to rig things for his authoritarian power grab. He installed lapdogs in key state posts to control the apparatus of government in furtherance of his authoritarian power grab. He has curbed academic freedom, uses economic coercion through large private foundations controlled by his cronies that are essentially untouchable to control large sectors of the economy economically. Plus of course in classic authoritarian fashion he finds minority groups such a as gays to demonize. But hey as I said above even the Communists and the Nazi's got somethings right so I am sure the authoritarian regime of Orban has also.



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    #588
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324519#Comment_122324519

    You could argue then the the Anglo Irish Treaty in the early 1920's was a "bipartisan " bill, its not a magic phrase, doesnt change the fact that the last 4 years will be an election issue

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #589
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324942#Comment_122324942

    Politico manage not to blame themselves , nice shell game they got going

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #590
    Brussels Sprout
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    image.png

    sigh



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    #591
    AbusesToilets
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122327838#Comment_122327838

    That argument might carry some weight if one was to ignore that last decade of efforts on the part of Republicans to actively dismantle the Federal Administrative state through the courts, and the fact that the Republicans in Congress have refused to engage in legislating. In fact they have made it their end goal to lock up the gears of government. Petty bureaucracies wouldn't be half the issue it is, if Congress would actual govern, but only one party even has a notion to do so.

    Unlegislated interpretation is what has brought us clean water standards, clean air, net neutrality. The era prior to Chevron was one in which bipartisan legislation was common and expected. That's never going to be the case again, given the Republicans are in thrall to Christian Dominionists, intend on dismantling democracy.



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    #592
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330998#Comment_122330998

    FFS even when they do legislate the GQP take direction from unelected people to not address legislation, like the border bill CFTrump 'vetoed'



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    #593
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122328542#Comment_122328542

    So basically - "I don't mind that you gut the democratic institutions and the free press allowing you to stay in power forever so that you and your close group of cronies can continue to enrich themselves just so long as you keep the brown people out".



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    #594
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330904#Comment_122330904

    double sigh

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    #595
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331090#Comment_122331090

    What is the max he can get?Should Merchan make an example of him for undermining the legal process?



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    #596
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122326583#Comment_122326583

    "whatever he wants" is a dem fantansy , another way for Dems to scare their voters

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #597
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122332222#Comment_122332222

    That is right .None of is is actually worried .It is all a big con.

    Trump is just a big pussy and his hangers on are just regular geezers.



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    #598
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330998#Comment_122330998

    Of the three examples listed, clean air was regulated pursuant to Congress passing the Clean Air Act, clean water to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, as they should be, and the flip flopping by the FCC on net neutrality in the absence of legislation depending on what the administration of the time wanted (see also ATF, EPA and others for contradictory regulations ) plus multiple court cases is a perfect example of why legislative parameters are required for some form of stability around which the populace and industry can undertake reasonable long term planning. And none of the above are even close to the over-reach at hand in Loper Bright which had absolutely nothing to do with regulating anything more than an agency acting in its own advantage. Can you name any other agency in any other reputable country which decides how to obtain its own income from the citizenry without some law to back it up? Can you imagine if Gardai decided that they would solve their pay crisis by simply forcing citizens to pay the Gardai directly? Because that’s the issue at hand in Loper Bright.

    As to the larger question of not getting anything done in a polarized congress, good. Both parties have abdicated their responsibility in getting things done by legislation because they have found alternate means of getting what they want done, to include relying on the courts to enshrine what should be policy questions into law (abortion being a prime example) or using… interpretations to inform actions of federal agencies. Remove those options, and maybe Congress will be forced to actually do its damned job again.



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    #599
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    So many questions about this

    https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1808201096785007079



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    #600
    AbusesToilets
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122332990#Comment_122332990

    To address your last point, it's not good at all, and wildly disingenuous to portray both parties as having abdicated their legislative responsibilities. The Republicans made it clear from the outset of Obama's term that they wouldn't work with the Democrats on anything. Their main goal has been dismantling government services and enriching their wealthy backers. There's no equivalency there. One part wants to turn the country into a Christian theocracy, with an entrenched serf class of poor workers.

    It's not feasible to expect Congress to legislate for every contingency that would fall under the purview of a federal agency. It's too slow, and too compromised by special interests to deal with minutia. As evidenced by decades of ignoring climate change issues. It's also a terrible approach to institutional leadership. Top down direction is never an effective way to direct large enterprises. The Republican desire to eradicate the Federal Administrative state is based on wanting to remove barriers to businesses ability to maximize their profits at the expense of people. To pretend otherwise is willful ignorance.

    I don't for a second buy any of the arguments in favor of SCOTUS's recent decisions relating to government powers. It's a naked grab for control.



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