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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,435 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Polls, because of the time lag, don't pick up a late trend in elections. Those on the doorsteps each evening do. One can see what Tories are doing, esp with Boris out this evening talking tripe. It may be making a slight inroad in that specific older demographic, who might otherwise have stayed at home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Are the LibDems even putting any resources into that many seats?



  • Registered Users Posts: 54,322 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Hahaha you cannot help but laugh that Sunak is so desperate he effectively sold his soul to the Devil and brought back Boris.

    What world is Sunak and the Tories on that they think the general public want anything to do with Boris, he's a large part of the reason of their hatred for the Tories



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,992 ✭✭✭Christy42


    If you told me Sunak had money on the Tories getting wiped out it would make this campaign make a lot more sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's sheer desperation though : Johnson is one of the main reasons the Conservatives are so hated right now. A lot of the former Tory votes are going to go to Reform.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭human 19


    I see a couple of polls in the last few days have knocked the lead down from 20% to 15%. I know its only 2 polls but we are at the stage where people who dont follow politics like us nerds start looking for information. The Tories have given up trying to win and now those that are sent to the TV , and the Tory papers, are spinning the Socialist Super-majority / One-party-socialist-state narrative.

    Its the point in the campaign when you decide on a core message and keep hammering it out . I can certainly believe, after listening to vox-pops and interviews with regular voters, that these bullet points are cutting through, because they are being regurgitated.

    I find it amazing that people can base their opinions of a political party on what they are told by an opposing party, or the papers that support the opposing party.

    Maybe its just laziness , so they can have an opinion they can then proceed to pontificate on, down the pub.

    I



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Not so sure. Boris might well attract some voters back from Reform, but overall I agree it will cost them votes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Here's the thing, the 1997 election was very much the same with people tired of the Tories and not really enthused by Labour or Blair. Don't be fooled into thinking people loved him like they did a few years later, they were much the same as they are on Starmer right now. A bit meh…but he is/was not Sunak/Major. The difference, Major was more liked than what Sunak is and people seem to be more angry right now at both Sunak and the Tories.

    I still think they win somewhere around the 1997 total and it is still a disaster, but the polls just aren't moving. They are all around 20% lead for Labour still where the 1997 polls had Labour up as high as 30% when the election was called and it ended at 13% at the results. But the polls were moving then, this time it is not. Maybe we have a more silent Tory vote this time and it ends the same, or maybe Reform taking votes from the Tories this time will eat them up this election.

    It will be interesting to see the next "last" MRP's that will be released in the next few days shows the same, but it does look like there will be hurt at the election. I think if people vote tactically in those 150 000 vote seats that the Tories keep saying may keep them in, then they will end up as the 3rd party. I will find that very funny, but still I expect them to win around 150 to 175 seats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I knew Shagger would pop his head up at some stage. Desperate. He's one of the main reasons for fcuked up England.

    Also (Behind paywall) first sensible thing she's said



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    This will be an Interesting one and let's hope Anderson does not win, however, bookies think it is a toin coss between him and Labour candidate.

    This is my ex constituency and one were family members still live. Word has it, that Labour will take it from Tories pretty comfortable.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,511 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    "Sensible" is not a word that I would use for a call that the Tories should "move back to the right". Their problem is the move to the right that they've already made; the notion that a move even further to the right is the solution to that problem is just bizarre. To win power in the UK you have to hold the centre, and that's where the Tories need to go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    The "sensible" was very much directed at the headline.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But where is the accurate accounts from "those on the doorstep".

    I could have just come on here and said "people on the doorstep say it's costing the Tories votes"

    It's just people with skin in the game making stuff up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Watched this last night, always decent. Interesting to get a better insight on what's going on in France towards the end also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    A nice example of pure editorial spin. "Former home secretary says party needs to rediscover its ‘soul’ and move back to the Right …" Note the very limited use of quotation marks! The article helpfully provides a link to Braverman's essay, and she does not say (explicitly) that the Party needs to move back to the Right. That's the Telegraph journalist's interpretation of what she said. And back from where anyway?

    The same journalist also slips in the implicit menace of a Labour "super-majority" even though such a thing does not exist in British politics: a majority of 1 has the same weight as a majority of 649.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Anecdotes from the doorstep might suggest the aged are hesitating and creeping back towards a Tory vote … but I'd be damn sure this election will see that slide offset by a larger than average turnout by every other social and age demographic. The nation is clearly sick of the Tories and want them out; a few blue rinse voters may not even be enough to hold some constituencies if for once the Young realise that hey, maybe this voting thing is a good idea.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't see turnout being much higher than normal. What I see is every demographic except the old turning on the Tories.

    This is what they're wheeling out now:

    At least we have conclusive proof that private school doesn't make people intelligent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Christ it's like someone put "sad looking poster + politics" into an AI generator.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well we won't have long to wait to see how's closer to the mark: I haven't seen this kind of roiling anger towards a government in a long, long time & wouldn't be surprised if the turnout's higher than usual. The Tories have fúcked over a great deal of the UK and bar the incurably reflexive who vote Blue 'cos that's what they always do, you'd surely see this anger translate to footfall. Like I said, not long to go.

    And yeah that poster is pathetic, but that's where the Tories are at really ain't it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But there is also the possibility of complacency.

    I'm not suggesting that it's going to cost Labour the election but many of the demographic other than older people might just believe Labour have it in the bag anyway and not bother to vote.

    Let someone else get out and vote, I'm too busy doing x, y or z.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,511 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Possibly. But people who are angry tend not to be complacent. Even if the Labour victory is assured (and, spoiler alert, it is) they want to be a part of it.

    My guess is that Tory voters are more likely to abstain (from demoralisation) than anti-Tory voters. If so, a low turnout is bad news for the Tories.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Plus there's the Reform aspect, hanging around leeching the harder right edge of the blue vote. This the first time UK politics has seen a proper split vote in living memory? Outside the big 3?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    She rather manages to destroy her initial insight by suggesting the solution is moving to the right however.

    Ah, I see this has been covered



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Looking at odds for some of the constituencies of the faces you'd never want to see again in Politics.

    JRM - Done for

    Truss - She has a chance, but Labour favs for the seat

    Cleverly - Coin toss

    Sunak - More than likely safe (He'll resign from politics almost straight away anyway)

    Shapps - Done for

    Dowden - Decent chance , 60% maybe

    Braverman - Probably same as Dowden

    Priti - Safe as houses

    Steve Barclay - Same as Priti

    Gove - Lib Dems should take this and that'll be the end for Gove



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,511 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, the Social Democratic Party was a split from Labour in 1981. At the 1983 general election the SDP won nearly 12% of the national vote, despite standing in only about half the seats. (They had an electoral alliance with the Liberal Democrats, who stood in the other half, and got about 13% of the national vote, making 25% in all.) Just 6 SDP MPs were actually elected, but the splitting of the left-of-centre vote did enormous damage to the Labour party — their vote-share fell by 9% and they lost 50 seats. The Tory vote-share fell by 1.5% but they gained 37 seats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is Mogg definitely done for. I know his constituency has taken in new urban working class areas but it still seems too good to be true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Somerset is a funny county, not nearly as posh as most of the surrounding counties, especially in the north.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Going by the odds, it's a near on gaurentee that he's done



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,419 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    @wazzle - Michael Gove is definitely 'done for' as he's not even standing. Understandable mistake to make though, as he has been one of the more front-and-centre campaigners as opposed to the in-hiding Jeremy Hunt etc.

    In Moggs new constituency the odds of 1/5 Lab v 7/2 JRM would translate to an ~80+% chance of JRM losing. Electoral calculus put it an 87%. So looking good.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




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