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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Quags


    There is 5 maybe 6 tents just close to where I live on the IronBridge (Bolands Mills) and I was talking to a business owner who said that they are openly pissing/**** into the water, drinking & making the female staff uncomfortable as for some reason they just stare at them for long periods.

    Also 3 tents are in the water but really that water is always dirty so thats issue



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Quags




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,367 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the canal is a walking route I do, last time was Sunday, I doubt any kids have canoe classes there anymore (yuck) , but it does raise a serious question, there is a risk of a third world disease breaking out while there appears to be no cares in the world, if you go for a walk the whole thing is surreal

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Reducing immigration is about the best possible housing policy right now

    First thing a plumber does when a house floods is turn off the water supply



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Quags




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    With respect to Nigeria, it is arguably one country that we do have some responsibility for. For several decades, we exported our excess religious to Africa and Nigeria in particular. The campaign to save the 'black babies', to feed, educate and to convert them to Catholicism. The likes of St Patrick's Missionary Society aka Kiltegan Fathers & similar Missions sent many Irish priests and nuns to Nigeria. There were collections at church gates to support the missions to Africa. Hence why you wouldn't wonder too much when you come across a Nigerian lady called Philomena or Concepta. Having converted these people to our ways from their culture, we do have some responsibility.

    But as for Syrians, Afghans, Brazilians, Georgians, Moroccans etc etc - no, away with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    Did Irish priest's and nuns have a negative effect in Nigeria ?, I recall reading about a particular Irish priest ( Fr Doran) who was very politically active in the Biafra crisis, foreign corporations were effectively bank rolling violence against the locals, Irish clergy abroad were very often quite the left wing revolutionaries



  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    If anyone were to cite a religion as the cause of some of Nigeria's problems it sure as hell wouldn't be Catholicism. Who do you think causes greater unrest, an order of nuns or Boko Haram?

    Post edited by OscarMIlde on


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It doesn't really matter whether the religious we sent had a positive or negative effect on Nigerians. The point is that they had an effect; they built schools, churches, brought in medicines and converted people. Doubtless some/ many of the priests who went there had their way sexually with the local population, both straight and gay. The houseboy was a feature in many the priests abode and African women/ culture had different attitudes compared to the more rigid structures left behind in Ireland. So we do have a hand and act in the history and development of Nigeria.

    But I think we are straying somewhat from the main strands of this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What parties do you think we should consider in any upcoming elections?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭Augme


    Because plenty of people have a massive issue with the Spainish doctor. Especially if he's Muslim. Pretending legal migration isn't a problem is a major case of sticking your head into the sand.

    Foreigners are the problem. Legal or not it doesn't matter to a large majority of people in this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    You're the one claimed we had some sort of legacy there and by extension a greater obligation to accept Nigerians

    I think it's a spurious claim



  • Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭sekiro


    I'd love to know what the long term goal is supposed to be here.

    So far it looks like a way to grow and expand the welfare state but ultimately it's unsustainable because there's only so much taxpayer money to go around.

    It could be a good way to grow the amount of unskilled workers available to take low paying jobs but again there's an issue of sustainability.

    If it's just a tactic to grow the population just for the sake of it then you'd need to grow public services and build lots and lots of houses in order to keep pace. Unsustainable.

    I wonder what the future holds for these men as previous to this crisis we already had a problem with our own younger men without prospects or opportunities. What good can possibly come of adding even more young guys to the equation?

    Is the expectation that these men will move elsewhere, away from Ireland, someday?

    Or is this their situation for the rest of their lives?

    I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would actually want to see this is Dublin and can't understand why everyone is not 100% against it to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We arguably have a great degree of responsibility towards Nigerians than say Moroccans or Algerians. Put bluntly, we 'colonised' Nigerian minds and steered them away from their own culture & beliefs. Morally that does put us on the hook in part to Nigeria.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,429 ✭✭✭prunudo


    and add to all that, we don't have a history of heavy industry or manufacturing, an awful lot of employment is with the multinational sector who could leave when they so desire. We've a huge amount of sectors at risk from AI, farming isn't flavour of the month and our tourism is decimated.

    So to answer your question, I don't believe there is a long term goal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    How can the population grow if most of the people that are coming here are male? unless they somehow manage to get their spouses and children over here from the 'war' they fled maybe then they'll contribute to population growth and put extra burdens on the state. I doubt most of the these men who are coming here have wives and children in their homeland, wherever that is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Repro212


    Our tourism industry is indeed decimated and I fear it will never recover as the issue is far greater than the current shortage of hotel beds. Many people come to Ireland for the craic and the culture but as word gets out of the extent to which the country has changed, they will soon start thinking twice about spending their hard earned to experience sights and sounds more akin to Islamabad or Mogadishu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Repro212


    It is a fact that the population of Western Europe is in decline. It's also a fact that we are becoming increasingly secular and with that, more than ever following our own free will. Literally reseeding Europe may be in some people's interests, particularly if the new arrivals are fervently religious, meaning they and their offspring may be more easily manipulated and controlled.

    Either that or it's extreme white guilt. Our leaders, like the cuckold husband who gets off on seeing his missus with another man, are getting their kicks from encouraging other cultures to take over the nest. Oh how they will orgasm in a few years when the Irish slip into minority status.



  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭briangriffin


    Holy Divine Christ himself would struggle with that logic, my god the amount of self depricating "white guilt" that is inculcated in the far left is mind blowing. As someone pointed out above the Islamic extremists of boko haram who are said to have murdered hundreds of thousands of children and Nigerians would bear more "responsibility" on actually colonising the people of nigeria. M

    There is no hook for the Irish people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Costs. Cost of living hitting all time high and having kids.

    Suppose when the government subsidies the newcomers and houses them. Easier have kids aint it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,367 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the last thing Ireland needs is a bunch of men that cant speak english, have no skills and may have dodgy histories, the only people that can make money out of them are the googly eyed NGO's

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Jack Chambers, our newly minted Minister for Finance was interviewed by RTE this morning. Initially he was asked about the problem arising in the IPAS system whereby people get their 'papers' but who can't or won't move out of state provided accommodation. That what was to be done if they were evicted and end up on streets.

    Jacks answer? The local authorities must look after them, like they look after social housing generally. He was allowed to state this twice without any attempt at a follow up question as to how LAs / County Councils were going to do this. Just who will be taken off the LAs existing housing lists, who will be pushed down the list so as to accommodate these arrivals?? The RTE journalist disgracefully neglected to ask the obvious questions arising - presumably to avoid addressing the potentially incendiary consequence of Irish people being demoted down housing lists to suit Jack & O'Gorman's agendas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I respectfully disagree. We as a society collected money widely to save the 'black babies'. We sent that money along with priests, brothers and nuns to the likes of Nigeria on the African Missions. We converted villages and towns to Catholicism, built schools to inculcate religious and other instruction into them. We gave them Irish names and in several places they play Gaelic games even now. We were part of the wider European movement to colonise and exploit Africa, albeit not quite as openly as exploiting their mineral resources. We concentrated on their human and cultural resources. We have a connection thus to parts of Nigeria and other African regions where the Missions were active.

    On the other hand, we owe diddly squat to those from regions and states of an Islamic persuasion. Nothing to do with us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,429 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Nothing like giving people in the country a wet week, housing ahead of locals waiting years, to piss off an electorate. Wait till people realise they can't get healthcare appointments due to long delays caused by this influx in population.



  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭Gamergurll


    I'm still convinced there's a large cohort who will be largely unaffected and even when they are will think up multiple reasons to blame other things, the ignorance and sometimes damn stupidity of the far left is astonishing



  • Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭sekiro


    That's the problem. By the time it is affecting more people it will be too late to do anything other than taking drastic action.

    There's a tendency, I notice, on here for people to come up with some form of deflection with situations like this.

    If someone was to post, say, that Dublin is expensive as they had to pay X amount for a pint of Guinness you'll almost immediately have someone coming along to say "well, I actually paid significantly less than that in a bar the other day".

    If I go to a hotel and try to book a room but they say "sorry bud we've no rooms but here's a mattress and a sleeping bag if you want to find a spot in the basement car park" then it's fair enough to say that the hotel is full. Nobody would argue with you on that. Yet we can send 100s of blokes onto the city streets with a tent and anyone who says "Ireland is full" is just branded a racist.

    Even if we being to see headlines similar to those seen in France, Sweden and Germany there will still be a small enough number of victims that people can just ignore it or play it down. Sure, we've had crime in Ireland since forever so maybe you're just mad because it's non-Irish doing the crimes, you racist.

    I'd love to hear someone who supports all this explain to me what the long term benefit is supposed to be. Say we could wipe out all of the racists tomorrow and just get on with giving these blokes their tents and let them pee and poop in the canal and bring in more and more and more of them what is the end goal? We aren't building homes for them, we aren't scaling public services to deal with the influx. The 99.6% are just fine with all this?

    Does anyone sincerely think it's a good idea to, for example, take hotels that would normally be getting their income from overseas tourists or Irish people using their expendable income and just use Irish taxpayer money to pay for people to stay in them for free?

    What is going to happen when the money runs out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Because we sent them money and built schools we now have a duty to house them here? how bizarre



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭gym_imposter




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Meanwhile back in the real world, stopping immigration is in no way comparable to turning off a water supply.

    Desperate people already go to great lengths to come to Europe, and while conditions remain as they are in the global south, they will continue to do so.

    People who wish to flee either persecution and/or extreme poverty these days have quite ready access to information telling them how to get to Europe and live here, undocumented if necessary.

    The EU already spends billions funding the likes of Turkey and Libya to stop these people, only causing more human suffering and likely actually increasing demand to get here as families get more in debt to unscrupulous people traffickers.

    Simplistic approaches like 'build the wall', 'stop the boats' or turn off the water supply have and will fail. At least the UK voting public seem to have learnt these lessons with Ree-Mogg's recent promises to 'build a wall' in the English channel rightly met with derision. I think in time a wider appreciation will grow that these narratives are nothing more than lies to get cheap votes, even if some seem quite determined to keep drinking and selling the kool aid right now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We didn't just build schools. These people were of African tribes with their own unique ways, beliefs & customs. We went in and set about converting them into good little Catholics & Protestants, we set about persuading them that a European way of life is better and what they should be aspiring too.

    I have little time for the argument that because many Irish emigrated to find work elsewhere, that we someone have a duty of care to everyone who wants to rock up here now.

    But in the case of the work of our religious, we deliberately set out to influence and convert certain areas of Africa. This work was supported by both society and state here and we have a responsibility for the consequences. It's not a coincidence that Nigerians want to come to Ireland. There's a price to be paid for our interference in these regions.

    But as for many others landing up, I'd stop them entering and anyone that does get through, interviewed and repatriated to whence they came from as soon as possible.



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