Are-ireland-and-leinster-the-biggest-chokers-in-world-rugby ?

Leinster one of the most consistent sides in Europe for a number of seasons now. They are always at the qtr/semi/final of Europe since 2015? a lot of teams have come and go between that

Ireland have been the most consistent side in the 6 nations since it was moved from 5 nations, with the most wins. Most triple crowns, England ahead on 6 nations but just behind with France/Wales.

Also the longest as number in the World as a NH side

This is coming from an era when Ireland "won" the most wooden spoons in the 5 nations

Now sure how over or underrated you want the teams?

England soccer team won a WC 58 years ago and nothing since. Not really a comparison is it?

No the 6 nations isn't overrated.

The 6 nations is the competition every country in the World wants to get into, both NZ and Boks are desperate to get into it

The whole reason NZ came up with the World League bulls**t a few years back was to try shut down the success of the 6 natiosn because they couldn't get into it. The boks are trying to say now because of their clubs in European competitions they should be allowed in

They would win the 6 nations as would south africa. It literally is 6 teams in a 3 horse race. Its adored by the followers, has the viewers and the structure but on the world stage only one of the 6 nation teams has won a world cup, I hope Ireland do win one. We could? But they arent good enough

Be realistic please.

But NZ and SA have no interest in growing the game, just trying to take the revenue from other countries

If SA had any interest they have an entire continent they could focus on growing the sport, instead they come to Europe

NZ pick the best players from the islands and use them for their own teams, they only took in island teams when SA jumped ship and they had no alternative.

The only way the game can grow is for Europe to stay in Europe, SA to stay in Africa etc

They do in different ways and South africa do help some of their African neighbours. Poorly. Very poorly and could and should do lot more

SSouth Africa do have a whole continent but even if they did help all the countries that are next best at rugby - Kenya, Namibia, Zimbabwe, they have to look beyond them as the quality isn't there and won't for a long time.

It's extremely lazy to say new Zealand pick the best off the islands when in fact. New Zealand born players etc are far more likely to represent Fiji, tonga, Samoa then the other way round

jaysus putting Rory Mcilmiss up as a defense that Eirefolk aren’t chokers is some stretch !

South Africa up their game at World Cups and are very hard to beat. Ireland appear to be the opposite. We have achieved some very good wins in the group phase of many World Cups but when it comes to knock out rugby, we fold. In knock out rugby, South Africa excel.

Which is effectively what I was saying before. SA are the opposite to us. They excel in the RWC and massively underachieve outside of RWCs. We do well outside of RWCs and underachieve at RWCs.