Hyundai ioniq 5 or VW ID 4.

Such a hilariously typical boards response.

"I'm trying to decide between an apple and an orange"

"Have you tried a plum?" 🤣

I don't own either, but I was seriously looking at the Ioniq 5 a while ago. I really liked the exterior, but was deeply underwhelmed by the interior. I think the ID4 is better in that respect even though it is rather bland looking outside comparatively.

In my own extended family I have a brother in law with an Ioniq 5 and and another BIL with an ID4. In chatting with them over the last couple of years on their experience, both are happy with their cars and the range for both in real life seems to be roughly the same. The only issue I have heard from them relates to longer trips as the Ioniq 5 will charge much faster (>200kW) even in cold weather.

The ID4 side of the family is always more likely to bring their second car (an ICE) on longer trips because of an inability to precondition the battery for DC charging and because of this it was very slow to charge (<50kW) in colder weather during the winter. That was too slow for them while trying to keep kids entertained for an hour at a charger. If charging speed is important to you, check to make sure that any ID4 you look at now has the up to date software that allows battery preconditioning!

If you want a bit more power, you could get the AWD version which would be just a few k above your budget. Probably could be bargained down. 306hp and the 73kWh battery.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-5-premium-plus-73-awd-5dr-auto/36575350

Except you can’t see at speed you are doing in the Y without taking your eye off the road 😂

The EV equivalent of a Hens Tooth…

We have an Ioniq 5 and an ID3, both fantastic cars.

The matrix lights on the VWs are much better than the Hyundai LEDs but the infotainment system in the VW is very clunky and not at all intuitive.

Ioniq 5 is a super motorway cruiser, the fast charging with pre-conditioning makes long journeys very stress free.

Reliability, both cars have been great, the Ioniq 5 has been in for a few recalls which where mostly software to do with the known ICCU issue which Hyundai finally seems to be getting to grips with

The only real way to choose is to drive both.

Whatever you're buying make sure all recalls have been carried out and the software is up to date.

I just can't see anyone going to 1% in an EV that can do 100kw+ charging unless they are on their own doorstep. All its needs a splash and go enroute.

Arriving with 10% a 52kw ID4 can do that trip in two stops and a 77kw in one stop of 10 mins. (Approx) And I'm probably being conservative.

I know a couple of families that bring two ICEs on holidays. So I'm not saying people don't do that, or just decide not to bother with the EV if they an ICE.

But I don't understand driving past rapid chargers, and to go from 100% to 1% is very much an ICE mindset. I would expect an EV driver to stay 20-80 with a couple of short fast charges and arrive with 30%.

Ireland not that big with a modern EV like the ID4...

Lol - I've the exact same experience in reverse. Have an i5 which has been good so far (bar a sticky gear shift). A few recalls carried out during service (all s'ware related).

My neighbour on the otherhand had an ID4, and it was in and out of the garage so much that VW offered him the option to hand the keys back under warranty. He then used his refund to get an I5 which he loves.

l5 was 2022 models, ID4 a 2021 example.

Even at 50kw they aren't hitting a charger at 0%. So still less than you're estimating. Also you'd leave at 80% or earlier. Two short stops rather than one long one. Especially if you can't get full speed working on one charger.

I'm curious because I use ABRP to plan routes and also when ev window shopping to see how changing my EV changes my usual routes.

So when someone posts a story about charging is interesting to mirror it in ABRP. That app allows you to set how much charge you want remaining at the destination or planning return journeys. Or change the car.