Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

it won't. matter if Biden is replaced or not. Trump will win the next election imo.

If the Democrats actually acted in a liberal way, as in were not sending weapons to Ukraine generating revenue for the weapons industry and provoking Putin, a nuclear leader.

Or, maybe if they were not trying to prosecute their political opponents like with Trump and just did it in, well, a democratic way by putting someone better than Trump up for election.

Then we might be able to decide Republicans=bad. As I see it the Democrats are acting in a right wing way.

They also do nothing for male voters with suicide soaring, homelessness, unemployment, boys' underachievement in education, eroding due process in sexual assault/harassment claims (like we saw in UK in 2016-2018 and we'll see more of it under leftist Starmer), while having hundreds of millions of dollars spent on women's health, business development networks but not men's, not even minority men etc. This is generating a large alliance of young male voters in their teens to 30s who are (protest) voting conservative.

So if they (Dems) acted in a left-wing way they would be winning easily. Look what happening in Europe…

has there ever been as low a profile, verging on invisible VP as Harris ?

I’m seeing if that is not just my imagination or a certain misconception from thousands of miles away but loads of seemingly bipartisan stateside journalists and publications say the same.

Wonder if that might go against her ?

Its not the republican voters they need to convince, its the independents who believe Biden is not physically / mentally capable

You got to think anything could swing it at this stage. Its not about the 40% who would still vote for Trump if he gave Putin a blowjob on 5th avenue. And its not about the 40% who will turn up for the Dems either way. Its the independnet and potential non voters.

Given Harris has not been very visible on the Israel issue and actually has been a voice pushing back slightly, would muslims in Michigan who ordinarily vote Democrat now turn up and vote?

Would African Americans in Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia who are ambivalent about Biden turn out for an African American candidate?

What would economically conservative women in Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, Ohio etc do if presented with a female candidate in the wake of full or partial abortion bans in their states? These are women that already have reservations about Trump, to put it mildly, but hold their noses and vote Trump when the alternative is Biden. What if its Harris instead?

People mistakenly think its about convincing some of the 40% hardcore republicans to switch and therefore automatically rule out the likes of Harris. But its not about them, its about the 20% in the middle. You also got to think the likelyhood of Trump saying something very offensive in a debate against the likes of Harris is quite high. The MAGA bros would whoop and holler and love it. Meanwhile the middle ground would go, "f*ck!, yes, he is truly a reprehensible idiot!"

Black people form the Caribbean and from southern united states have the same heritage.

You would be be surprised by the divisions some have. Foundational Black Americans is one of the less inclusive groupings.

He is trying to deny reality. Which is a very human reaction but the political reality will eventually bite.

The fact is, as a political force, he is fatally wounded and his lifeblood is ebbing away. He would lose to Trump - bigly.

I think this mindset is how the Dems lose. I am aghast that Trump has gotten this far and is leading the race for the general election. But as much as it may baffle and offend my sensibilities, it IS reality. The electorate are very clearly telling the Democratic party that they feel Biden is too old to be President. There is a very consistent signal across polls on this topic. Now, as voters start to tune in, Biden is consistently polling behind in crucial swing states.

You can look at all this data, be offended by it, and say that in the privacy of the voting boot Americans will hold their nose and choose Biden, rather than Trump. But this is flying directly in the face of what the electorate is trying to tell the Democratic party for a year now. Americans will not vote for an 82 year old man showing his age in significant numbers. They won't turn up, or they will hold their nose and click the other option.

A change of candidate is essential, otherwise Project 2025 will be a reality.

Well, there is some rationality at play here. Trump is old, but Biden is older and that matters from an actuarial table perspective.

It's not fair, but swap Biden out for a young energetic candidate and attack Trump. Flip the script. Complaining about how the electorate feel about this is a waste of time. They've made their stance abundantly clear. Get a Whitmer or Newsome or even Kamala and start relentlessly attacking Trump in a context where he can't build an entire campaign around clips of Biden looking frail and uncertain.

Camilla Long's article in the Sunday times mentioned the double haters. She described them as patriotic and maybe they should be running the country. Was an amusing read given the dour atmosphere post debate.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/2a2dbee0-d8da-4269-b471-ee244fc13ab4?shareToken=12206f6aa4c4b4247e526d9b3268257d

I also find it crazy but it's the reality. Biden is measured against traditional expectations of a politician, the Trump phenomenon comes from a completely different universe. Being seen as too old is a huge problem for Biden, whereas being a convicted criminal and pathological liar is not a huge problem for Trump, in some ways he even uses it to his benefit.

Bizarre, but that's the situation. The Dems have to react. I fear that either way, stick with Joe or switch, they're in a very difficult position

great hair, looks good in a suit, talks confidently.

The fact that he was wearing high heels canceled out the great hair factor.