Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Nothing like giving people in the country a wet week, housing ahead of locals waiting years, to piss off an electorate. Wait till people realise they can't get healthcare appointments due to long delays caused by this influx in population.

Rubbish

That's the problem. By the time it is affecting more people it will be too late to do anything other than taking drastic action.

There's a tendency, I notice, on here for people to come up with some form of deflection with situations like this.

If someone was to post, say, that Dublin is expensive as they had to pay X amount for a pint of Guinness you'll almost immediately have someone coming along to say "well, I actually paid significantly less than that in a bar the other day".

If I go to a hotel and try to book a room but they say "sorry bud we've no rooms but here's a mattress and a sleeping bag if you want to find a spot in the basement car park" then it's fair enough to say that the hotel is full. Nobody would argue with you on that. Yet we can send 100s of blokes onto the city streets with a tent and anyone who says "Ireland is full" is just branded a racist.

Even if we being to see headlines similar to those seen in France, Sweden and Germany there will still be a small enough number of victims that people can just ignore it or play it down. Sure, we've had crime in Ireland since forever so maybe you're just mad because it's non-Irish doing the crimes, you racist.

I'd love to hear someone who supports all this explain to me what the long term benefit is supposed to be. Say we could wipe out all of the racists tomorrow and just get on with giving these blokes their tents and let them pee and poop in the canal and bring in more and more and more of them what is the end goal? We aren't building homes for them, we aren't scaling public services to deal with the influx. The 99.6% are just fine with all this?

Does anyone sincerely think it's a good idea to, for example, take hotels that would normally be getting their income from overseas tourists or Irish people using their expendable income and just use Irish taxpayer money to pay for people to stay in them for free?

What is going to happen when the money runs out?

Talk about a tenuous link

We didn't just build schools. These people were of African tribes with their own unique ways, beliefs & customs. We went in and set about converting them into good little Catholics & Protestants, we set about persuading them that a European way of life is better and what they should be aspiring too.

I have little time for the argument that because many Irish emigrated to find work elsewhere, that we someone have a duty of care to everyone who wants to rock up here now.

But in the case of the work of our religious, we deliberately set out to influence and convert certain areas of Africa. This work was supported by both society and state here and we have a responsibility for the consequences. It's not a coincidence that Nigerians want to come to Ireland. There's a price to be paid for our interference in these regions.

But as for many others landing up, I'd stop them entering and anyone that does get through, interviewed and repatriated to whence they came from as soon as possible.

Europe hasn't even begun to get tough with illegal immigration to Europe but it will and academic terms like " global south" aren't going to factor into policy change

I don't think you understand Holy Catholic Ireland of the decades from 1940s-1970s. Largely a rural society under the control of Irish clergy, large families with insufficient land to hand on, having priests/ nuns in the family was a badge of respect and also employment opportunity. We produced a huge surplus of religious in those days and the African Missions from here were very much an Irish initiative. In part to give that surplus, 'meaningful' roles to carry out. This is something we own.

You're digging really really deep here. Look sometimes it's ok to admit you were wrong. There's no shame in it. I too have no problem admitting when I got something wrong. No harm. But this line of argument you are on now is off the wall, off the Richter scale, OTT, lacks credibility. Please stop mate, you're digging way too deep.

Who would have ruled say Nigeria in that time - when all the religious were sent from Ireland.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/the-secretive-libyan-prisons-that-keep-migrants-out-of-europe

I don't think people realize how tough Europe already is on migration, and the efforts are failing.

The new migration pact is probably a further push in that direction, I'm pretty sure it'll fail too.

At least people will be more aware of the approach now with all the publicity the pact is getting.

2 + 2 = ABC

You say "We have a greater responsibility ". That's where the argument breaks down. Its not that 'we' sent missionaries abroad, it was at the instruction or behest of the Catholic church/Vatican. There was no role in this whatsoever by the state or the governments of the time. Similarly with Trocaire boxes. All done through Catholic charities with no state input.

For your argument to stand up, you need to agree that Spain & Portugal are also on the hook to import & welcome economic migrants from all of South America to their lands as it was they who exported Catholicism via the conquistadors in the 1600s. What about the Calvinist protastant pilgrims who brought religion to native american indians. Is England responsible to take the decendents of Mohawk or Cree ?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainian-refugees-kilbaha-relocated-6425082-Jul2024/ ..

Genuine question to those who just want white Irish people on this island…

Read any junior cert book on biology or genetics and it'll tell you that in order to produce genetically better humans, you need diversity so we don't all end up like Charles II of Spain.

If you have pride in living on this island and calling yourself Irish, would your dream for us all involve doing your everything to ensure future generations of Irish are inbred?

Is that actually the long game here or am I misunderstanding the goal of these people?

Will all the random Pakistani men be marrying white Irish women so? And not 55%-60% of the time their cousins

https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/memberarticles/the-truth-about-first-cousin-marriages-in-pakistan#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20common%20practice,60%25%20marrying%20their%20first%20cousins.